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Hey there...
Thanks for the tips...
Just one silly question...
I played Homeworld and Cataclysm... Loved them both...
Is Home world 2 any better ? what is good about it ?
Also is your portrate from HW2 ?
And how do you like it ?
Im thinking of getting it, but if its the same as the first two... Then i might wait till the price drops a bit, becuase i have played so much of it... Anyway... what are the good new features if any ?
thanks again
YellowAlienBaby,
You had the dreaded NAS (nOOb ally syndrom), your idea to relocate was a valid AND plausable strategy to stay in the game. If your ally had any sense at all he would have realised that. Just one thing though, if you had the req to rebuild your HQ you could have dropped it anywhere there was a clear area in the fog of war. You didn't need to send workers off right away, you could have told them to build it anywhere you wanted then had your ally finish it (in this case you were SOL). You were displaying an advanced team play tecnique and had a nOOb ally that doesn't understand the game mechanics. Just avoid having him for an ally in the furture.
BTW what is MS supposed to stand for?
solar71,
While HW2 was a nice game it didn't have the online appeal that HW and HW:C had in their hayday. If you want to continue the story by all means get it, just make sure you get the patch before playing it in SP as the dynamic difficulty can be a bit high for many players, the pathc toned it down a bit.
thal,
Thanks for the good words, I'll be adding more map details as I finish detailing the maps for team play, keep an eye out.
There is power in words.
hmm going back to original topic (ignoring the maps for a minute).......
I am quite annoyed at you being attacked by 2 (or 3) enemies at once you CAPS LOCK for help and being told to quote STFU (with full spelling) an d of course the obligatory you are a nub (nub yep that is how it was spelled) comment.
One thing I noticed in team games, you either rush 1 enemy base or yuo defend 1 of your bases. At the beginning you have too few units to go charging into enemy base independently.
Now with an advanced (2 star yeah :argh: ) player like me you could just go do some mischief by yourself in an enemy base....but you MUST be sure that your allies can hold the enemy otherwise it is not worth it.
Then just play with allies you know good enough to be sure about that.
...2 Star isn't advanced...
#105
@craNk
Anyone who plays the game on the fly and takes any allies that show up and can maintain a 2 Star rating may not be advanced but I can assure you they are a competent player.
With the amount of drops and lag outs, those that play only random games, stay to fight, even the ones that they surely have little chance of winning, are the best players in my mind.
Always playing with friends/Clan mates, all competent players surely, who always Rush as a group is great but is it truly difficult? It gets ya stars but seems kinda repetitive to me.
Imo, the best game are the ones where 2 or 3 random players meet 2-3 other random players, both teams have a mix of talent and the fight is decided by players communicating and dealing with the unknown. A new player who won't leave home until there grand army is built only to show up late with max troops and claim they won the fight. Of course if their allies don't survive the long build process, they call them noobs and then drop. God I love that one. :werd:
If I wanted alot of Stars *****, it is too easily done. Get a friend, lock a room and set the AI to easy and player 30 games in a row. Stars galore, but don't leave that room if want to keep them.
For myself it is the thrill of the tough battle that I am after.
Learning to be a Team player is just as much Fun as winning if that learning leads to more solidly played battles, of which more then turn into possible victories.
P.S. It also depends to on how many beers you had... :argh:
hehe thanks for your support.
Yes I do play random and usually I get a dropper in 1 out of 3 games.
Sometimes they are just idiots but somietimes it is connection problems. nothing you can do :/
Well it is getting to the point that you don't know what to expect in the random game, I do play them when clanmates are not on but I prefer being able to talk to my ally without typing. I can't actually type, I have to look at the keyboard as I am doing now.
Doing so detracts from my game, which means in the random game I communicate less. If you are a skilled player and have weak allies, all you can do is the best you can. Which may mean not getting help in time, having to fight 2/3/4 v 1 and so on.
Until the newer players find out about this forum and this thread a lot of knowledge is not known and a lot of drops are bound to happen. Try and get in with a clan or start your own, then you will have a better game experience.
Yesterday's session prompted me to write some comments. I am not a very good player since I have a tendency to make a huge blunder in the mid game. But I am working on that.
What really sets good TEAM players apart from the bad is communication. If you can clearly see that you are better player than the others then GIVE THEM ADVICE. If you see that you are worse than somebody else then please ASK. AND IF SOMEBODY ASKS, RESPOND. If you have a clear strategy TELL ABOUT IT.
One game yesterday was a perfect example of this. Game was 3vs3 on that map that is basically a direct pipe with teams at the each end (I don't remember the name). I realize now that I was playing quite stupid being the middle guy and trying to lead the attack when I should have supported others. Both my team mates just stood there silently (I understand this when they are fighting, but when they idle?); no pings, no comments, nothing. Then when enemy rolled over us (I was the second defeated) the last guy types: "lol, n00b allies".If you are that much better then help others...
Second example was also 3vs3 where I was rushed by entire enemy team. One of our team mates never responded to any comments and didn't do much else either. So, it was basically 2 vs 3 and result was quite predictable. If you have problems at least let the others know.
I would also like emphasize the point made already in the original(?) post. Starting positions can be broken down to two basic types; frontline and support. Frontline positions are usually flanks and of course forward positions. If you aren't in frontline then send troops to support others. Worst thing you can do is turtling.
Last thing: Has anyone else noticed that in team games the team 1 (first ones to join the game) is usually better than the second? Is it just me or is this somekind of a trend?
the team 1 phenom.....well you figure that that the organizer of the game invites all his buddies/budettes in, and they go vs random guys.
now having said that it is always fun to go team 2 and beat the crap out of a clan/ team 1 posse. heh.
#110
Heck yeah timotheus! Me and my two star brethren know how it is. Don't let people judge you by your stars they arn't the law on who is good or bad.
Anyway let my contribute. The thing I noticed the most in team games is turrets. Don't build them if you don't need them. The turrets aren't to save my base from being destroyed when they attack me. If I die then you die as well. Unless your in the opponent's base destroying his buildings then there is no reason not to help me out.
Also on Quatra, personally I think it needs to be fixed. I like the idea of the map but starting point 3 is at a large disadvantage. The enemy can jump or teleport right in the back of his/her base. If you're team 2 then you want to keep the middle map to help stop this but if you can't then put up a turret and keep a squad in your base for support. Either way you're in for a tough fight.
Last edited by Dorkdav; 1st Mar 05 at 2:42 PM.
@timotheus
The main reason I think that team 1 seems to be better is that most beginners don't open up a game by themselves but rather join an existing one - I found out that I win far more games on team 1 and I join random games only.
wow i just read 8 pages
and it was great thanks alpha
#113
@CelticFrost:
If everybody lived up to that idea like you do, there would'nt be a problem. But hardly one noob does what you ask him.
When the game is on shared resources and 1 player doesn't build his Listening Posts the others suffer greatly. I just played a game yesterday where 3 of 4 players on the team kept telling the noob on the team to build his listening posts and upgrade them. He wouldn't do so and kept asking why he should. Since the map was Penal Colony which already has very few SP's it hurts even more.
It ended up in one teammmate taklng down his SP. But you can't take down an ally's relic so we still suffered from there. No use to mention we lacked overall resources and finally lost.
Such a loss is completely unnecessary.
@timotheus:
yeah, really annoying. But I think many clans now write it in their game name that they want a challenge. But it still happens that you get put down by buddies who even pretend not to know each other, but as soon as every1 is in the game change teams to 8 without typing a word in the chatbox. Guess who's connected by teamspeak or skype?
very helpful and descriptive!
Thnx Alpha :bandit:
I also find that some players don't want to communicate or heed any advice. I've played about 50 games so I am hardly the foremost authority on Dawn of War but I've learnt enough through several heavy defeats and also some good advice from better team players that you have to help each other.
I recently played a 3v3 game in which my two team mates just watched while all 3 enemy armies attacked me at once even though I asked twice for help. During this time they had hardly built any marines (all were using sm's) or any dreads. It was only because I managed to build a stronghold in one of their bases that I survived.
I then asked one of team mates to send out scouts to see what the enemy was doing as they controlled virtually the whole map (all 3 of us were now in one base) and he said "no way" because he didn't want to lose any men.
For me this just spoilt the whole game.
In my Country (Poland, in Central Europe) This type of player called "He Defend like wild pig (a lot of Heavy bolters, zero Marines, some Wirlwinds) and has his allies deeply in his a**"
I always help for my Allies even if i lose all my army. It's just a game!
Last edited by Lukas; 23rd Mar 05 at 7:37 AM.
One game of 3v3 all I had left was 2 squads of PSM, 1 generator, and one capped point. I also owned a critical location which the enemy never took for some reason.
I maanged to recapture another of the critical locations, tyhen draw a decent chunk of enemy forces into a massive eldar turret blockade that was set up in the middle of the map to prevent counter attacks. After reinforcing my troops and mopping up the enemy infantry that surived the turrets I suicided my guys into a nice thick line of SM turrets and busted a hole in em, just as the enemy found my generator.
Fighting to the last man is so much more fun than dropping.
Hey everybody, lookee here it's my first post.
Just a quick note to express my thanks for this thread. Having people around who are prepared to share some actual working tactics means that if or when I finally get online to play some team games I might not suck quite so badly...
Look forward to seeing some of you online...although I have to learn how to play as more than just Marines first...
Exelent thread people, it will be use full to any one who reads it. Keep up the good work
On another note
I for one enjoy being teamed up with a new player, It makes for a far more intresting game and if we win it feels so much more satisfying. There is nothing better then beating two clan members with a rookie ally, it just makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
I hate people who drop as soon as they realize that one of their allies is a noob. I have played atleast 5 games were one of the players on my team has got their first win ever. I enjoy helping people learn to play better and from now on i am going to recommed this sit to every new player I team up with
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