[Ork] Beating Possesed.

[Grabnutz]

I just lost to a possesed army. I haven't fought that many in 1.3, so was surprised to see them (and surprised to be against chaos instead of eldar!).
I'm aware that 1.3 nerfed them, but they do alot of damage to my BM even when the CL is not around. With a cc race, I found it very hard to make any impact on them at all. My micro was shite as usual, and my BO was all over the place, so that might have explained it.
Any advice that doesn't rely on knowing hes going to get possesed before the game?
(i'll get a replay up, but I'm in a hurry, so i'll get it later)

[Deen]

Was it Tier1 or Tier2 possesed?

In tier1, before Nobs, you need to outnumber them at least 3:1 with your sluggas to have a chance at beating them in CC. Which is too costly. You can overwatch the sluggas, also try to lure them to fight under you building guns.

Once you get Nob Leaders, you can melee them better, each Nob can take 2 possesed alone, and costs much less.

You biggest problem is not getting broken by their melee and the heavy casualties your squads will take, so you need to have 30-40 pop of orks fighting together to get morale immunity.

Basically, try not to fight them without Nob Leaders unless you got BM+lots of sluggas vs not too many possesed.

[Chris]

Just mob the hell out of them with sluggas and try and tank them with the big mek. Yes, they do good damage to commander armour but the mek has kill animtions wich will help him. If a slugga squad starts taking too many casualties try and pull them out and let another squad take the hits. With the amount of sluggas you can throw at possessed, they should also be worrying about getting broken.

[saki]

maybe throw in a flamer or to, helped me alotto delay those PSM

[Grabnutz]

Outmassing:
My usual tactic, but this was tier 1 possesed, and I only just had more than he did. My moral dropped ridiculously quickly.
Luring under banners / lps etc:
Tried it, but once your orks are dead they kill those quick enough anyway. Did work for a short period though. I managed to draw his CL away from the main lines once my BM was toasted, and swamp him down. I'll get the replay up now.
http://forums.relicnews.com/showthre...55#post1033155

[Omega_Warlord]

I would try what saki said and throw in a flamer. Flamers have won the game for me against chaos in sooooo many ways. Break their moral. Or you could mass a shooty army and dance... but that takes alot of micro esp. with orks.

[Grabnutz]

Thanks. Burnas have a use!
Never would have considered them, given chaos being a rare matchup.

[[Vertigo]]

Stick Grenades, Nob Leaders, and a few Flamers mixed in set on ranged stance would help against those PSMs. I find it strange that an Ork player would complain about the PSMs since they can easily be out massed and crushed just by sluggas in 1.2 I don't understand why 1.3 would be any harder.

[Grabnutz]

I'm not complaining, I don't beleive them to be OP or anything, i'm just crap, and have always found trying to outmass anything with orks to be difficult. Since cc is where orks belong, possesed are actually better, and thus orks in cc are skrewed. Having to resort to shooting is not always good, but I really must use shoota boyz more.

[Stepsongrapes]

Unless he's doing some sort of building selling build, you should have probed/harassed him before the first possessed squad pops out. A BM alone can walk into a Chaos base rushing to possessed and pop the FL'ed heretics in seconds.

If he did sell his HQ, econ up and kill him. He has no hope of cracking an ork base and will never catch up in econ.

If he does manage to get a single possessed squad out, I tend to go for an economic victory. You can literally capture every single free point while he tries to run his single, slow possessed squad around. Building guns do a number on tier 1 possessed, for their cost.

The aforementioned burnas are also a good choice. Be sure to have all squads stay out of CC or else the 90% ranged morale damage reduction will kick in.

[DietCoke]

I never have that problem with possessed. I always just throw traks with big shootas along with my sluggas and never have a problem getting rid of the possessed(though i have to remember to reinforce those ork squads so they dont die too fast.

[{SK}-Ryder]

Yer, fighting possesed is probably the ONLY use for burnas, but it hasn't giving me that much difficulty. As long as theres no CL the Big mek can chomp through possesed pretty easly, backed up by flamers and N0bz. Fighting juice is good too, means the possesed won't rip sluggas to pieces.

[Serverbot]

PSM have always been hard to fight with me. The only infantry that stand a chance against them is TB and Nobz. Nobz are more than a match though

PSM do a rediculous amount of damage to commanders and buildings though. Ok, I'll use burnas also, since they break fairly well.

BTW, grenades, stick bombs, plasma etc are better for ranged support Vertigo

[Stepsongrapes]

The only infantry that stand a chance against them is TB and Nobz

Um, you do realize that TB's do less damage to possessed (all infantry, in fact) than vanilla sluggas?

[Omega_Warlord]

I think he thinking tank-bustas and that other bomb that they get (I think) that i can't remember right now....... :hmm:

[Metavirulent]

Ugh, not really. Just replac TB by NS (nob squad) and things are correct again.

[mylastnerv]

NIce, this will help alot. Would it be better to put the burnas with the sluggas or just add em to shoota and keep em out of range while the sluggas get analed . . . . or something like that.

[Grabnutz]

I'm still in shock that the counter is simply a heavy weapon selection, rather than the uber micro + uber complicated BO + knowing what the enemy is doing, that we usually have to go through to counter stuff.