Current status of the Primarchs

[Distephano]

ok im just making a record here and im at the moment Categorizing the primarchs status's and here they are.

Dark Angels - Lion El' Jonson - In stasis deep inside the rock held by the watchers in the dark, the only other person who knows about this is luther who is to insane to talk, cypher possibaly might know aswell.

Emperor's Children - Fulgrim - Deamon Prince of Slannesh, obviously Slannesh appealed to his ways of making his legion perfect.

Iron Warriors - Perturabo - Deamon Prince, follows no god.

White Scars - Jaghatai Khan - missing after chasing the dark eldar into the Maelstorm.

Space Wolves - Leman Russ - Disapprered apprently into the Eye of Terror, will return for the wolf time, the final battle.

Imperial Fists - Rogal Dorn - Dead/missing, this is a strange one, what is definetly known is he stormed the bridge or the chaos ship Sacrilage. now here where it differs, some stories say all the following imperial fists found was his hand, and he is either dead or missing. other stories say that they have his body and his skeletal hand in their monastary which is probably the true version.

Night Lords - Konrad Curze/Nighthaunter - Beleived assasinated by callidus assasin M'shen although her video feed cut out just before the assasination. although it is belived Nighthaunter allowed himself to be killed to prove a point. He was reprimanded for his brutal methods, so he wanted to show that his methods and the Imperiums were the same. He killed those who broke the law and so did the Imperium.

Blood Angels - Sanguinius - our first 100% dead, without a doubt. Brutally murdered by Horus moments before the emperor arrived on the bridge of horus ship during the siege of the emperors palace, said by the Blood Angels to have made a dent in horus armour which was just enough for the emperor to kill him. such was the brutality of hsi death that his whole gene pool was tainted with the black rage.

Iron Hands - Ferrus Manus - Ferrus Manus fell in battle against the foul orks. His battle barge was rammed by an ork vessel and crash landed on the orc world below. Mighty was the stand made by Ferrus and his marines, but futile as they were overwhelmed by the uncountable ork horde. his body was recovered from a crude ork shrine that had been erected around his body, the heads of the orks that had fallen to his hand arranged like a carpet beside the wreckage of his battle barge. Even the foul orks can honour a great warrior(said by russ) other stories say he is missing, could be dead as of Istavaan V, another theory is that he is deep inside Mars.

Worldeaters - Angorn - Deamon Prince of Khorne which appealed to his martial honor. dont beleive he has recovered his physical form yet after being banished by grey knights on armagedon.

Ultramarines - Roboute Guilliman - Mortally wounded by Fulgrim who slit hsi throat with a poisened blade. In stasis on Macragge. some say he is impossibly healing although this is rumour.

Death Guard - Mortarion - Deamon Prince of Nurgle, corrupeted by the destoryer hive plauge, with Nurgle being his only chance to live

Thousand Sons - Magnus the Red - Deamon Prince of Tzeentch, obvious choice as he is a sorceror

Lunar Wolves/Sons of Horus/Blacklegion - Horus - Even more dead then Sanguinius, contrary to some beleifs he will never return, when the Emperor killed him he erased his entire existence, he erased his signiture in the warp and uterly destoryed him. as i said, deader then Sangunius

Word Bearers - Lorgar - Deamon Prince? not too much info given about this primarch

Salamanders - Vulcan - The fate of Vulkan is unknown, even his Salamanders will not speak of what became of their primach...(said by russ) Dead as of istavann V?, Missing? who knows again not alot of information given.

Raven Guard - Corax - Either, missing in the Eye Of Terror, or locked away in the topmost level of the Ravenspire looking for a way to recover his chapters numbers. Also belived to be in the black library as a passage refers to a 'raven-haired man' entering the library. Corax was forever haunted by what became of his legion after rebuilding it with desperate means when it was slaughtered by the warmasters forces. He left Deliverance and spoke only a single word to his marines in explanation, "Nevermore....."(said by Russ)

Alpha Legion - Alpharius - Dead, killed by Roboute Guilliman. although because of his double crossing nature and tricky ways ther is romours that it was not Alpharius that Guilliman killed.

well ther it all is. i have lots more information about most of the primarchs but have only put the current details or their staus i know of, if you know any differnt then please post here.

due to replys from people i will be updatin this with given information such as corax in the black library

Thanks to all the people who help update this. Erikjust i would like to thank for his account on a speach by Leman Russ himself.

[Zatrais]

Nice summary, you might want to run over it with a spell checker tho.

Just something that stuck out to me

said to ahev made a dent in horus armour which was just enough for the emperor to kill him.

Thats what the blood angels claim, there isn't any evidence (other than BA's) that that is the case. Really, the emperor summoned as much mental power as he could to completely wipe horus out of in the materium and immaterium, a dent in his armour isn't gonna make a difference when it comes to that much warp power. The text should be changed to reflect that.

[Distephano]

yea that is y i said 'said to have' but yea ill change it to reflect that, to make it more clear to people

[CrimsonHellkite]

Wasn't Corax seen inside the Eldar's sacred library?

Also, I'm pleased that Leman Russ is the only Primarch that's definitely going to return, seeing as how (a) he's my favorite Primarch and (b) I love Space Wolves.

[Distephano]

na im pretty sure its the ravenspire as A: the harlequins and eldar would never let him get anywhere near it. B: he would nto know where to find it

[CrimsonHellkite]

IIRC, the Eldar guarding it let a guy with jet-black hair in because he wanted to research how to defeat the True Enemy. Sounds like Corax to me.

[klotzy]

Actually I believe Lion el is going to be awakened by the Emperor, at the "end of time" or "the final battle" or "the wolftime." The story about the Illuminati I think hints that in fact that those will never happen, but the Emperor will fizzle out and all the Sensei will be sacrificed to bring him back into the material realm. Or something, I'll have to go read it again.

[Distephano]

IIRC?

and apprently although it is rumoured the emperor knows of lions whereabouts it is the watchers who will let him out, when the time is ready.

o and to your earlier post yep russ will be back fro the final battle, although sed battle will never come about its still nice to know

[Aquila]

There is very little doubt that Konrad Curze is dead. After all, the Assassin returned to her temple with enough proof to convince the Grand Master, and he is a very demanding character. The video may have cut out, but if the master of assassins was convinced, then that's good enough for me.

[Distephano]

o she made it back?, cheers for that didnt know, i assumed when she did it all the nightlrods aroudn would ahve brutally killed her

[MaD_hAmiSh]

This should probably be put in the list of useful threads. It also seems to be the first Primarch thread, that I can remember, that hasn't had someone say OMG TIS GUY WUZ T3H BSET PRIMRCH!!111

[Angry_Smurf]

Yeah, I heard the rumour about some guy, who has the colouring of a raven guard marine, studying in the black library. Suppose this could be Corax. Could also just be some random Illuminati member.

[CrimsonHellkite]

There is very little doubt that Konrad Curze is dead. After all, the Assassin returned to her temple with enough proof to convince the Grand Master, and he is a very demanding character. The video may have cut out, but if the master of assassins was convinced, then that's good enough for me.

I'd like to think there's something significant about the video being cut. Sure, the evidence points to him being dead, but we all know how plot developments work: everyone who isn't killed on-screen is probably still alive.

Perhaps Curze faked his death so well that both the Grandmaster and M'shen were convinced?

[Icarus]

Great list Distephano! :thumb:

Thats what the blood angels claim, there isn't any evidence (other than BA's) that that is the case. Really, the emperor summoned as much mental power as he could to completely wipe horus out of in the materium and immaterium, a dent in his armour isn't gonna make a difference when it comes to that much warp power.

Whats certain is that Sanguinius dented the armour of Horus (the Blood Angels have his memories), but what happened after that is anyones guess. Of course we'll never have a definitve answer.... By the way - how do we know that Horus's warp presence was destroyed in this way, the only person who would know is the Emperor, and he's not too talkative since "the incident".

I'd personally like to believe that it is Corax studying in the Black Library. I believe the phrase used to describe this stranger is "a raven-haired man", so its quite likely to be him... or else a sneakifying red herring!

There is very little doubt that Konrad Curze is dead. After all, the Assassin returned to her temple with enough proof to convince the Grand Master, and he is a very demanding character. The video may have cut out, but if the master of assassins was convinced, then that's good enough for me.

Conspiracy theory time! There's no actual proof of his death as the video conveniently cut out. I find it amazing that she managed to return unscathed, surely the Night Lords would have torn the place apart until they found the assassin, and would hardly have let an unsearched ship leave the planet. It could all be a devious chaos trick. Nighthaunter was a primarch and possibly beyond given his defection to Chaos. It would hardly be a long shot to say he faked his own death. The assassin could have been brainwashed, converted, cloned... who knows?

I know I'm probably going to get flamed for this little theory, but as an avid comicbook fan I am of the opinion that there's almost always a way for a dead character to come back. With GW little, if anything, is certain. The only primarchs who are definately dead are Sanguinius and Horus.

[Distephano]

cheers icarus, and y would they put the video cut in if it wasnt significant

[Hraefn]

It was Alpharius that wanted to prove that his Legion could be just as effective without him as it was with him.



Konrad Curze allowed himself to be killed to prove a point.
He was reprimanded for his brutal methods,
so he wanted to show that his methods and the Imperiums were the same.
He killed those who broke the law and so did the Imperium.

[Cathode]

I doubt he is dead he is the Batman of 40k literally. You have to realize he is the FREAKING PRIMARCH OF THE NIGHTLORDS. Night lords have a psychic power that is represented as "night vision". It is not night vision it is the power to know what is around you if you CANT see it. They are also stealh adepts (It may be a power too) something only night lords posses. I am willing to bet that Conrad was out of the room shortly after the trigger clicked. I mean his name is night haunter. He is suppossed to be a phantom.

[Cailet]

I think he did die.

"Death is nothing compared to vindication."

His last words. He allowed the assassin in, no reason not to let her out again, especially since he needs someone to actually go back and make the point...

[Anaris]

I shall answer the question of his death in my upcoming documentary, entitled "Konrad Curze: Did he have time to plan?"

Seriously, folks, he isn't The Batman. If he's still alive, what proof was given to the Grand Master and what's he been doing all these years? More likely the video cut is to hide something he did before he died.

[CrimsonHellkite]

Same thing Leman Russ has been doing, waiting for the final battle.

Again, I'm saying he probably faked his death.

[Hraefn]

Cathode:
The Night Lords don't have special psychic powers that enable them to sence things.
They came from Nostramo, a planet shrouded in darkness.
Their eyes are adapted to that darkness, so they do have night vision.

What Konrad Curze had, and to some degree, the Night Lord Sorcerers have, is prescience, they can forsee the future.
But it's not like the Eldar Farseer ability, they can only see the darkest path.

[Zatrais]

By the way - how do we know that Horus's warp presence was destroyed in this way, the only person who would know is the Emperor, and he's not too talkative since "the incident"

The Chaos space marine codex makes it pretty clear. Horus is as dead as its possible to be, well dead isn't the word.. Annihilated is.

[Anaris]

Otherwise the Imperium would have met him in the last thirteen crusades. The Chaos Gods are said to have resurrected ABADDON a few times; what wouldn't they do to get Horus back?

[Chake99]

the Night Haunter is awesome, he WAS the Batman of 40K. He went around and killed people who commited crimes. After making the so scared the pissed themselves. Of course that didn't sit well with the emperor so they were reprimanded and turned to chaod.

The funny thing is the Night Lords think most CSM are as completely crazy as normal SM, they probably have one of the more objective views of 40K. Then again, they do not realize they are crazy too...

[Icarus]

My point about Horus was how do the Imperium know about his warp presence being destroyed? I expect it probably was, although possibly it could have merged with Abaddon or something like that. Long shot though I admit.

[Angry_Smurf]

I'd say that if Horus's essence had merged with Abbaddon, Abaddon would have been more successful down through the years.

[Anaris]

Horus was a charismatic wonder and a leader of men. Abaddon, on the other hand, has launched scattered attacks with each legion under its own agenda.

[The Collector]

Consider that Abaddon was a Company Captain and everyone else was a Primarch, and they're now Daemons and he is still "normal".

Then you'll understand why Abaddon cannot command the legions of Chaos.

[klotzy]

I think calling Abaddon "normal" is an infinitely large misuse of that word.

[Anaris]

Incidentally, Batman hasn't been a vigilante KILLER since way back in the sixties sometime.

[Cathode]

The Night Lords don't have special psychic powers that enable them to sence things.

Yeah they do they can see the future, and quote "Chaos marines accustomed tosuch places develope a 6th sense more efficient than any mere technology to enable them to master the night"

[Hraefn]

That's just a general statement. Read the background for the Night Lords in the Index Astartes.

Besides you forgot the "Within the Eye of Terror..." part.
Night Lords had night vision before the Horus Heresy.

[Cathode]

How is seeing the future a "general statement"? I mean I don't understand.

Night Lords had night vision before the Horus Heresy.

Yeah thats my point.

[commander ash]

is it a general statement im not sure either.

[Hraefn]

I'll address the qoute first.
The rules you qouted state that the Legions gained the night vision ability in the Eye of Terror.
That is why I said that the Night Lords had the ability before the Heresy.

The information in night vision rule is a general one, not specific to the Night Lords.
The one in the Night Lords background is specific to the Night Lords.

The Night Lords came from Nostramo, a planet so dark,
and the people that lived there so accustomed to that darkness,
that when the Emperor visited it, many of the inhabitants went blind.
Their ability to see in the dark comes from the people that lived on Nostramo.

The Night Lord sorcerers, and only the sorceres have the ability to see certain aspects of the future, and only in dreams.
The Night Lords don't have a psychic power that enables them to see in the night.

[Cable]

Consider that Abaddon was a Company Captain and everyone else was a Primarch, and they're now Daemons and he is still "normal".

Then you'll understand why Abaddon cannot command the legions of Chaos.

Actually Abaddon has been offered daemonhood several times but has turned down the offer

Also, Horus is completely dead, annihilated, obliterated, vaporised from both the material realm and the Warp. There is NO way he can come back.

[Zatrais]

My point about Horus was how do the Imperium know about his warp presence being destroyed? I expect it probably was, although possibly it could have merged with Abaddon or something like that. Long shot though I admit.

Dorn would probably have felt it or the emperor could have told him. Horus merging with abaddon isn't a longshot, its impossible because in order to merge Horus with abaddon you need some of Horus and there isn't anything at all. Zip, nada, nothing.

[20weedall]

Horus' body was recovered but abbadon ordered his body destroyed, I think one of the emperors children was trying to clone him.This is pretty much summed up when he said "horus was weak Horus was a fool, he had the whole galaxy in his grip and he let it slip away"

[WarewolfIX]

Just to address M'shen escaping after "killing" the Night Haunter, the Lords might have been a lil busy dealing with a power vaccum. Or perhaps it was part of Curze's plan. Lords haven't seemed to split up into a fractious lot like the World Eaters, someone might be holding them together.

[Victor_Tan]

THe only few people who manage to access the Black Library was an Inquistor called Czevak or Draco i think or could be the same person. The Human Illuminati and the Eldar Harlequin Solitaires. It is not known why they allow the Human Illuminati in. Perhaps because it has connections with raising or healing the Emperor and the Eldar knows that the Emperor is essential to the survival of the Galaxy. And its also written somewhere that the Eldar were having a fight with a Space Marine Chapter then the commander or librarian[most likely the librarian] and the Eldar Seer manage to form a truce and then friendship. So the Eldar somehow granted the Chapter one person to enter the Black Library. Think was a psychic adept or something then when he came out, he was almost mad.

As for Roboute Guilliman, my favorite Primarch who is hald dead, i would say no he cant heal techinically because he is held in stasis. It could be Adeptus Terra or Adeptus Ministrorum, or even the High Lords of Terra's propaganda plan to at least give humanity or the people who visit the Temple at Macragge some hope that the future is not as bleak as it is already. Although, Hope, is the first step to disappointment. But, it could be the psychic energy that is healing Roboute so no one knows.

[Warmaster Death]

who cares, when there are mortal men, who can becomne almost as great heroes as the primachs? why dwell on a past we cannot change, and irrelivant questions, why not discuss the KNOWN living primachs, rather than discuss how dead one or another is?

not trying to piss anyone off, or sound pissed of by the way
:sniper:

[Erikjust]

a guy named Russ posted this eaons ago just thought it would give a little more info.

also is it possible that you could update the traitor primarchs list by saying what god they followed and why they joined that god.

here is the post Russ made:So wrong about me and my brothers, how much knowledge has been lost during fenris's arcs around the wolfs eye.

My Brother Guilliman lies in statis on macragge, a mighty wound cleft in his throat, a chaos poisen seeping through his veins.

Lion El'Jonson fell in battle with luther, and the watchers in the dark watch over him deep inside the Rock.

Jaghatai Khan dissapeared into the treacherous eldars webway, a place where time has no meaning.

Mighty Rogal Dorn fell with great honour, Imperial Fist records state;
Soon after the disappearance of Corax, Primarch of the Raven Guard, the Imperial Fists were asked to help against a Black Crusade bludgeoning its way through the Cadian Gate. Phalanx and the majority of the Chapter were committed to shadowing the movements of Ulthwe, the Eldar craftworld, and could not be spared. Rogal Dorn managed to piece together three Companies to join the Cadian campaign, which he led himself. The Black Crusade threatened to envelop Cadia, and the Imperial Navy had failed to see the threat until it was too late. With his infallible sense of timing, Rogal Dorn, with three Strike Cruisers, surprised the heretic anchorage in the Pelenos Belt before they could strike. The Imperial Fists force struck at the centre of the Black Crusade, their Thunderhawks wreaking tremendous damage on the unprotected troop ships while Imperial Fists Space Marines teleported aboard the largest warships before they could raise their shields. Although the powerful Chaos armada was able to overwhelm the Strike Cruisers one by one, they were unable to deal with the Imperial Fists assault teams. Rampaging through the enemy vessels, the boarding parties sought out the engine rooms and succeeded in disabling many warp drives. Their tasks accomplished, the boarders would call in Thunderhawks and move on to another vessel. Some managed to use their victims' own teleporters to move on and a few even captured batteries long enough to redirect their fire against the other Chaos ships. The uneven battle could end only one way, but Rogal Dorn was determined to inflict every last grain of damage, whatever the cost. He made his final stand aboard the crippled Sword of Sacrilege, a Despoiler class Battleship that had been rammed by the last Imperial Fist Cruiser. The final report by the serving Chief Librarian commended their souls to the Emperor before Dorn led a desperate attack on the Sword's bridge.

There was no Chaos attack on Cadia. The Imperial Navy arrived in force while the Traitors were still licking their wounds. Released by the sudden disappearance of Ulthwe, Phalanx and the Imperial Fists led the Imperial counter-strike. They caught the Chaos fleet in the midst of repairs and routed it decisively. Even without their Primarch, the Imperial Fists were able to get to the right place at the right time. They boarded the Sword of Sacrilege before it could flee and recovered what remained of Rogal Dorn. His engraved skeletal hand continues to be maintained in stasis, their holiest icon, and serves as a constant reminder of the commitment expected of a Space Marine.
(Note the recovery of what remained of Dorn, hence his remains. It does not state that only a hand remain. Dorn has fallen, a mighty warrior fallen to a mighty death.)

Sanguinius knew he would fall at Horus's hand, yet followed my Emporers call to board the warmasters vessel. Horus strangled the life from the blood angel with his taloned hands.

Ferrus Manus fell in battle against the foul orks. His battle barge was rammed by an ork vessel and crash landed on the orc world below. Mighty was the stand made by Ferrus and his marines, but futile as they were overwhelmed by the uncountable ork horde. his body was recovered from a crude ork shrine that had been erected around his body, the heads of the orks that had fallen to his hand arranged like a carpet beside the wreckage of his battle barge. Even the foul orks can honour a great warrior

Corax was forever haunted by what became of his legion after rebuilding it with desperate means when it was slaughtered by the warmasters forces. He left Deliverance and spoke only a single word to his marines in explanation, "Nevermore....."

The fate of Vulkan is unknown, even his Salamanders will not speak of what became of their primach...

And myself? I wait in the halls of the dead, having passed beyond the lands of living by the power of the cloak i wear, made from the hide of Morkia, the great guardian of the gates of death. Waiting for the Emporers summons that it is time for me to return. The great battle. The wolftime...........

For i am Russ, my word is iron.

I will return

[Distephano]

okey dokey i will update my records now.

congrats and thank you on tht passage, im sure ive read it before but never found it again

[NathrakH]

Isn't leman russ looking for a tree to heal the emperor?

[Kadon_Bloodblad]

As far as I know Leman is looking for Lion, maybe its changed, but thats wat I think he's doing.

Edit: After reading the rest of your posts about Night Haunter, well how about like they said in the book Lord of the Night? It stated that Night Haunter told his warriors to stay back and allow the assassin in, and to allow her to do her job, and he said to her, i'm just paraphrasing, that what would make her think that she could ever surprise one who , more or less, controls the night, by useing it against him, something of that tone. But, then again, you all have stated that she got back unharmed, unlike in the book where the main Night Lord chased her down and removed her arm....

[treeboy]

The reason why GW had the bit about the assassins video blanking out just before she killed the night haunter, might be GW wanting you to think that there is something significant about it when there really isn’t...

[Icarus]

Or maybe thats just what they want us to think..... :devil:

[Brother Lucius]

Night Haunter is dead.

Accept it before someone blurts out a "THE EMPORER IS NIGHT HAUNTER" theory and we're force to beat them with fish like the "THE EMPORER IS HORUS!" or "THE EMPORER IS A WOMAN!" people.

He LET the Assasin kill him, for poetic justice...he was quite mad. He felt it vindicated him. Man always looks for a justification for his actions...

[Erikjust]

I don’t think the Emperor is Night hunter but I do believe that it is quite possible that Night Hunter faked his own death.

why I don’t know maybe he saw it as his change to go into a peaceful exile away from his visions who knows.

So Night hunter maybe dead or maybe not I don’t think it matters. If he lives he will remain hidden until the final hour.

Until either the Empire or his chapter needs him the most.

[Robert Frazer]

Good grief, why can't people accept that Konrad Curze, alias Night Haunter, son of the Emperor, the Dark King of Nostramo, Primarch of the Night Lords, and deviant Traitor, is DEAD! He's met its maker! He's ceased to be! He's shuffled off this mortal coil! He's kicked the bucket! Bought the farm! He is an ex-Primarch! Leave him be and permit him to rest (in lots and lots of tiny, quantam-sized, un-rebuildable pieces)!

The video recording filmed by M'Shen (the Assassin who killed Night Haunter) does not "freeze" or "cut out" - it only blurs for a second due to the motion of M'Shen leaping forward to deal the killer blow, which is expected. Furthermore, the Third Edition Codex Assassins states explicitly "Night Haunter is the only Primarch confirmed to have been assassinated". That should settle it!

Also, Brother Lucius is exactly correct - Night Haunter was completely insane. Throughout his entire life he'd been plagued by apocalyptic and harrowing visions of his own demise and destruction, and when the Emperor first discovered his wayward son Night Haunter almost clawed his own eyes out in terror of what his dark and awful nightmares had whispered to him about the future. He willingly allowed himself to be killed because, so twisted and contorted with spite, angst, rage and self-loathing he linked the event to his dreams and, in a pathetic and almost juvenile form of reasoning, used the arrival of M'Shen as an excuse to "justify" all of the terribe strife, carnage, suffering and torment that he and his Night Lords had inflicted upon the galaxy, and find some way to wriggle out of the crushing burden of sin weighing down on his shoulders. It's illogical, but Konrad Curze was hardly in a condition to think rationally - given his upbringing in the Nostromo slums, where he grew up as a lone scavenger eating his way to the top of the food chain, you can sometimes think that Night Haunter could be more beast than superhuman.