Need some help fighting Chaos please

[L0ki]

Hello All!

I'm a ~casual~ player of DOW. I only play once or twice at the most a week. But I'm not a total noob to RTS and have been playing various ones for years.

I only play SM. Not because I have anything against other races... I just don't have the free time to invest in learning all the nuances necessary to be halfway decent.

OT/ Actually I think DOW/WA is the finest RTS there is right now and *really* enjoy it!..... Well at least I used to. Read on. /OT

Before WA came out I could routinely stomp enemy AI's of all races up to the "Harder" level and on a good night even win a game or two on insane.

This prompted me to load LarkinVB and Thudmieser's excelent AI mod which gave me many many more happy hours getting *back* to the point of being able to usually win at the "harder" level.

Then WA comes out and wanting to support this fine game I immediately went out and bought it.

Then the misery began.

At first I couldn't win an AI skirm to save my life. Then after swallowing some humbel pie I reduced the difficulty level and had some *small* success.

I had to learn a whole new fighting style to counter the inevitable rush (especially the Orks which makes sense as that was their fighting style).

But I just don't have an answer for Chaos.

Let me be clear here, I can beat Chaos if I rush them real early. I just pump out 3 SM squads and an FC and charge across the map (while my SM's reinforce) taking out any points they have captured along the way. I roll into the base and pretty much wipe it out. Game over.

Success but no fun!

~IF~ on the other hand I try to draw it out and try to enjoy the old fashioned kind of game I used to with maxed out tech trees and all the goodies I get bi@tch slapped every time.

I have no answer for the Korn Berzerker Chaos tanks combo. They seem to be able to field *WAY* more KB's than I can termies and their tanks although not so great against SM tanks just mow down any infantry that tries to oppose them.

And then there’s the whole *Demon* thing! YIKES, I've soiled my SM armor! WTF kind of counter is there for that?

I've tried attacking it with *ALL* my heroes together (FC Lib and Chap) and they literally get swatted away!

Anyway enough rambling from me.... Anyone care to help a Demi-Noob with what are bound to be some pretty basic answers?

Thanks in Advance All!

And thanks Very much THQ and Relic for making some of my cold winter nights in the frozen tundra a little warmer with the warm glow of a bolter barrel

[CrossOrion]

I'm guessing this will get moved into the strategy forum shortly.

But few things. 1, have you patched up to the latest yet?

2. Bloodthirster...demon thing... hard? Uh... One squad of Assault terminatos = Dead BT. As its always been since DoW I believe...

3. If they are fielding beserkers against your termies they should lose. Hard. Khorne Beserkers should not be able to do any significant amount of damage to Assault Terminators, especially if they are coupled with chaplin and commander aura. However, Possessed Marines might give them a good fight.

On the other hand if your talking about your regular marine squads getting raped, build Assault marines, get them both bionics and targeters, and get the Chaplin. The importance of the chaplin while fighting Bereserkers is not to be underestimated at any one time.

Otherwise, have you gave whirlwinds a try? They are much better in WA. To the point of rediculousness. Hellfires might also be useful to consider. They are antiinfantry instead of antiarmor now, and if you put them behind an AM wall they'll mow down infantry pretty fast.

[THR1LLHOUSE]

you should check out the strategy forum found here:
http://forums.relicnews.com/forumdisplay.php?f=119

look for sm build orders (BO's) or general SM strats to help you out. i can't seem to win very often in WA so i'm not the best person to offer advice but there are plenty of build orders, general and race specific strats floating around in the strategy forum.

[L0ki]

Thanks guys...

In my longwinded post I should have also mentioned that I'm not a real regular to the forum as well! Obviously don't know my way around here that well.

Thanks for the tips about the strategy sub-forum. That sounds like just the ticket!

I was actually just thinking about asking others about their build orders.....

Again, Thanks

[[Vertigo]]

Well, if you just want to play a higher level game against the AI then you need to keep the pressure on the AI. You can make your Marines and Terminators much harder to kill if you attach Apothicaries and use Word of the Emperor. Both of those come from the Sacred Artifact. Word of the Emperor is a special ability that the Librarian has.

[-.Joker.-]

Well, I'm New At Warhammer 40K, Heck I Havent Even Played Yet Cause I gotta Wait 2 More Days To Get My Graph Card Installed Into My Comp, But I've Read Many Many Forums And The Info Book Over And Over Again. It Seams To Me You Need To Re-enforce Your Army With A Healthy Dose Of The Old Aussalt Terminators, And If You Come Up Against Some Possesed Marine's I'v Figured Long Range Back Up Fire Will All Way's Help.

And Just A little Tip You Should Atleast Learn The Basics Of The Other Army's To Over Come Them, As Choas Marines Cannot Easily Be Suprise Attacked But Should Rather Be Flanked, 1-2 Marine Squads On Front And A Rhino Of As Support + 2-3 Squads From Behind With A *Special* And Any Vehical As Choice For Support. It Also Makes It Easier To Note, If They have Defiler's They Likly Have Advance Armor And Weaponry So Use Your Upgrades Wisley!!

[Akranadas]

Need some help fighting Chaos please

Beleive in the Emperor and He shall guide and protect you with his strength

[Moe]

Moving to strat.

[the_hunger]

@Loki: Terminators should make short work of both berzerkers and chaos predators, not to mention the prudent use of dreadnaughts. As someone else said, Whirlwinds are very strong and accurate now and can disrupt enemy infantry all day long. If you are being swarmed by chaos, the problem is that on harder difficulty, the AI gets a +20% resource bonus. This really adds up by tier 3. Thus, if you don't kill it early or destroy its listening posts at every opportunity, the AI will easily out-resource you by tier 3. You may need to bump down the difficulty to hard, which doesn't give the AI the resource bonus. Your games will probably be longer then, because the AI's initial rush is less brutal.