Check this out.
Someones in for a beating by the GW lawyers.
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#1
Check this out.
Someones in for a beating by the GW lawyers.
Last edited by Aron_DeTomado; 18th Dec 05 at 9:25 AM.
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Wow that's a really brave move. That's really asking for it.
Ouch.....that's when the pain of globalization sets in. Soon space marines will be cursing their counterfeit Made-in-China bolters and the adeptus mechanicus would be out of business, totally outcompetited by cheap labour consisting of sweatships manned by ogynes.
#4
Hmmm.... They don't seem to sell the titans and demons shown in the gallery. The only things I find in the product gallery, are tanks and their accessories, and they just look like any other tanks anyhow.
The way i see the more competition the better.
About time some other companies started dabbling in minatures like 40k's.
#6
Yeah, they only have titans in the pics. They aren't actually selling it.
500 Days...
#7
If you read the captions, you'll know why they aren't selling some of those figures.
Ultra-Cast tanks painted as Chaos forces. Figures are from two other miniatures companies.
I dont see any law breaking here.All he did was show off some stuff he painted/assembled.Thats hardly a crime.
Hes attempting to use GW's models to help sell his own.
That would be like a Clothes store showing you footage of a certain athlete Thus implying he uses their goods.... when he probably hasnt even heard of them.
#10
You can't say that isn't "inspired" by wh40k.2 twin linked deck mounted laser cannons, 1 gattling cannon, 2 side hull mounted twin linked laser cannons,
GW may have rights on a tank called "Space Marine Predator", but not on every "tank with gatling guns and laser cannons" a designer may think off, even if "inspired" by a GW product.
Those titans are sweet though. Don't think s/he should get busted, he never actually says that they are for Warhammer 40K, just shows that is one way in which they could possibly be used.
#13
Those tanks are blatantly ripped off from the 40k tank molds. It's been years since I've looked at a 40k tank but it's pretty obvious to me.
#14
Actually, he's breaking quite a few laws here. He's using Games Workshop miniatures, as well as products from other companies, to promote his own miniatures. After looking at his website, I seriously doubt he has any kind of licensing agreements with GW or the other companies.I dont see any law breaking here.All he did was show off some stuff he painted/assembled.Thats hardly a crime.
If he was just showing off his painted miniatures, that's different. But he's using all sorts of copyrighted material to advertise his own stuff. So it's very much a crime. I also noticed that he has little to no contact information on his site except for an email address. He's either extremely bold and wants to get sued or extremely naive and needs someone to tell him to shut down his site before he gets sued.
the funniest thing here is there is absolutely no reason to buy these knockoffs, they are nearly the same price as games workshop kits, and not naerly as cool that thing the triangle tank is absolutely hideos. games workshop has nothing to fear but they should sue.
#16
That's assuming GamesWorkshop cares enough to go stop some random guy selling some minatures.
Does Table tTop actually have boats?
I believe thats probably a joke the navy part. The "Imperial Navy" for GW is all the spaceships and aircraft etc.
<Inq> why do people idolise Tranj/Buggo so much?
<NovaBurn> because people are brown nosing fuckwads
I don't get it, whats the big deal?
Why the hell would GW be threatened by some guy who sells a few WH40k miniature knock offs from the bottom of his basement?
Ya' dig?
because GW loves to kick people in the nadsJust look at the rules they make you abide:Either all 40k or nothing in mods etc and they have also tried many times to shutdown a major 40k webcomic because of its view of GW and has actually got some episodes to be removed. The moral of the story: "Dont poke GW with a stick, it'll sue yo ass!"
#20
Going off topic kinda; which comic was that? I suspect TSOLR
no its Golden Throne. Linky: http://www.golden-throne.com/
Anywho it would be good if that guy had bigger pics
#22
It's not about being threatened, it's about someone using their products and ideas, which are both copyrighted, to make a profit. If the guy was making his own mini's without using GW mini's, then there wouldn't be a discussion about this. And you said it yourself, the guy is selling knock-offs of WH40K miniatures out of his basement. I would assume that you know this kind of activity is illegal.I don't get it, whats the big deal?
Why the hell would GW be threatened by some guy who sells a few WH40k miniature knock offs from the bottom of his basement?
If someone was using your name and products to make money behind your back, I'm sure you'd kick them in the nads too. This isn't about the big guy picking on the little guy at all. The guy is ripping off GW and other companies to sell his own stuff. For example, you can't start an athletic shoe company and start plastering names like Michael Jordan or David Beckham on your stuff so you can sell it. Don't think just because people or companies have money that you can rip them off and they won't care.because GW loves to kick people in the nads Just look at the rules they make you abide:Either all 40k or nothing in mods etc and they have also tried many times to shutdown a major 40k webcomic because of its view of GW and has actually got some episodes to be removed. The moral of the story: "Dont poke GW with a stick, it'll sue yo ass!"
About the "inspired" part...so what? thats like saying Nike was inspired by Reebok(or however you spell that) to make shoes, so Nike should be sued. you cant sue someone for taking a gun name, unless its specfically that product.
like the tank thing. if he called it Space Marine Predator Tank yeah sue him. But you cant sue him for having a Gattling Gun or a Laser Cannon.
I want to say "For The Emperor" but what comes out is "BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!"
#24
The GW stuff is in the "Gallery" page. Not the "Look at what you can use this for" page (even if he is implying that!).
We have a gallery of painted minis from GW here too. Why doesn't Gw sue Relic too?
#25
I think you missed the point of my example. You can't use a brand name to promote your own without permission.
#26
Because of this:We have a gallery of painted minis from GW here too. Why doesn't Gw sue Relic too?
That's at the bottom of every forum page.Dawn of War, the Dawn of War logo, GWI, the GWI logo, Games Workshop, GW, 40k, Chaos, Eldar, Ork, Warhammer, Warhammer 40,000 Device, Space Marine, Space Marine chapter logos, and all associated races, race insignia, marks, places, characters, illustrations and images from the Dawn of War game and the Warhammer 40,000 universe are either ®, (tm) and/or © Games Workshop Ltd 2000-2004, variably registered in the UK and other countries around the world, and used under license. All materials © Copyright Games Workshop Limited 2004 except the Source Code for the Dawn of War game © 2004 THQ Inc.
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Yellow knight, I can't promise this is still the case, but when was a kid there were loads od indepentant model makers.
some selling things like "extra-terestrial marines" maybe they got their ass sued off?
also don't suppose someone could put the whole link up... I'm in hospital and the suposed network services won't let me follow the link!
#28
Then all buddy would have to do is claim all his figures are designed specifically for Left-Handed people only. Then, to actually argue ownership, GW would have to go back and also add a clause on every one of their legal doc claiming that all of their figures are Left-Handed biased as well.
A tip for all those SUE everyone happy folks. Please remember to never have an original idea of your own. Someone will just kick you in the nads and sue your arse as well. It has all been done before you know, all of it!
the GT comic that got taken off was issue 80, where a Thousands sons Marine vents his rage at Pete Haines.
An exausted figure pushed his way through the fray, saluting hurridly. "Five-Hundred-And-Fifty-One Postcount Malitia reportiung for duty, sah!" Then Warmaster Death looked around, and threw down his blade in disgust. "F**k it, just after the nick of time. Why does this always happen to us?"
#30
Dymo:Well, it looks like this guy took your advice, because the guy obviously doesn't have an original idea of his own. So he has to use other peoples stuff to get his out there on the market.
Looking at his products page, I don't see any resemblence to WH40k figures. He's not selling leman russ knockoffs; he's selling generic and uninspired armored vehicles.
#32
@Adonis,
Please post the Website link to the Original product idea that you are currently attempting to market to try and make a buck? Please!
#33
That comparison would only work if I said he was ripping GW off by selling TT miniatures. This, however, is not exactly the case as most of that stuff looks just like what GW made. And even if GW made those things, the disclaimer is only under the one picture, as such it would not apply to the other ones(including the one with the Imperial Titans and the Storm Troopers with commisar).About the "inspired" part...so what? thats like saying Nike was inspired by Reebok(or however you spell that) to make shoes, so Nike should be sued
http://www.ultra-cast.net/index.cfm?link=galleryalso don't suppose someone could put the whole link up...
#34
Dymo: I'm not selling anything. I'm talking about the guy in the website, which was in the very first post. That's what I've been talking about on here.
#35
So is he selling GW stuff claiming it is his own stuff or is it something that looks like GW stuff, but really isn't?
Hes selling his own stuff but using Games workshops models to help promote his.
I refer back to my earlier post.
It would be like a Sports store showing you pictures of Manchester united or the Scottish claymores etc... on their website with their stuff in a picture right next to the proffesional teams ones.
Thus implying that Those teams use those things.
There is also the one where they photoshopped the face of one of the GW guys on the ogre kingdoms pic. good times :Pthe GT comic that got taken off was issue 80, where a Thousands sons Marine vents his rage at Pete Haines.
Haha! I remember the Golden Throne. I was more than a little surprised when GW actually stood up and spanked him a bit there, ahh yes. Good times indeed.Poor ol' Dan.
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