I have seen this musing many times in this forum, so why don’t we have an actual discussion on it.
What would the Necrons do when faced against the Tyranids?
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I have seen this musing many times in this forum, so why don’t we have an actual discussion on it.
What would the Necrons do when faced against the Tyranids?
have they ever fought them? idts so theres your first problem and there are a few more specifics many necron tomb world have been classified dead so y would the tyrnids land there in the first place also if the necrons were still asleep how would the tyranids break in to the tombs in deus ex mechanicus it said it was immpossible to break into one. so it all comes down to personal opinion so good luck for this post
dp but oh well heres my opinion though flayers,wraiths and, scarabs will be the first to advance providing distractions and killing many then comes destroyers, tomb spiders, and monolith advancing with heavy fire support well immortals,pariahs and, warriors advance attacking as they go. but see the problem is althought they have heavy fire support, necrons lack the truelly immense # that a tyranid hive fleet can bring so yet again this is another personall opinion post that will likely get locked for getting off topic in the end.
The C’tan rule over the Necrons. The C’tan hunger for souls, specifically intelligent life with a warp presence. If the Tyranids consume all life in the galaxy, the C’tan will no longer have any food. The C’tan need the Tyranids to go away so that they may feed upon the galaxy. So while the Tyranids may never attack a Necron Tomb world, the Necron will attack the Tyranids
As for never meeting, there was a Primarch vs. Pheonix Lord thread that has several pages of posts, and those two groups never met.
I'd have to agree with Utima.
guitarhead1000- I'm not the grammar police normally, nor do I care too much if a person has limited English skill. But for God's sake man, you know enough English to throw a hint of punctuation in there with a few capital letters after the periods.
Lol yes u are correct but the problme is the c'tan need to be around right? Yes it may have gone on for several pages but yet again its personnal opinion, and yes they may go to fight them but it all depends who wins doesnt it (personall opinion yet again) but that would be an amazing battle woundn't it can u imagine the toxic air not effecting the necrons and no morale effecting them either so what do u do against a enemy who isnt afraid and will rise up and fight. Interesting hu.
it is feesable that the two factions would meet on ocassion. Like for instance if the necrons were attacking a world just before the tyranids were about to attack that world. I could see that happening but most likely it wouldn't happen but its possible.
The Necrons have to attack Tyranids if they want any life left in the universe to devour themselves like Ultima said, its only a matter of time until they meet. Since the Tyranids have to reason to attack the Necrons or their worlds it means that the Necrons will have to go to them meaning you may see Necrons aiding worlds that are under attack. I think Necrons have air suppiority, and they don't have to win the ground battle, they just have to keep from getting pushed back and preventing the Nids to reclaim their dead and as a tireless, regenerating 'robot' army this shouldn't be too hard.
However if the Necrons make too much of a nuisance of themselves the Nids may go on the offensive, attacking Tomb worlds with armies full of Zoanthopes with just enough other units to take out pariahs.
Yeah that my big point though how do u find tomb worlds the iom hasent found many merily stumpled across a few(dont kill me i bilve that statement is only half correct). Since tyranids are drawn towardsworld full of life how do they go one the offense as you said someguysteve if they cant find any life in the necrons to attcks. They cant absorb metal for biomass can they? I think not so does that mean they wont totally destroy the necrons?
Just because the Necrons have no meat, does not mean that the Tyranids would be at a disadvantage. Remember, the Tyranids can rip apart SM Power Armor. Necron bodies will be no problem. As for the Necron continually repairing themselves, the Tyranids will rip something vital out and fling it a distance away.
Thats what i thought but they cant assimlate any of the bio-mass from them cause its metal right?
Correct. Tyranid's go OUT OF THEIR WAY to avoid Necron systems and Necrons in general, because theres no Biomass to feed on. Necrons are the Tyranids worst nightmare- inorganic self repairing self propelling self fighting machines backed by immortal "Star gods" who feast on the life force of living beings. Like the Tyranids.
I think the tyranids are actually a good thing for the C'tan, you won't find any more life force to feast on then a nice juicy hivefleet.
Ve vill bury you.
So technically in a battle the necrons have a upper hand because
a) if they ever fought in a tomb world and they did kill all the necrons what is there to turn to biomass nothing so een though this is a technical victory the fleet is weakend by having no food and loss of troops
b) since a probably wouldnt happen that means that presuming the necrons meat the tryanids in space battles who has the better weapons more advance technollgy the necrons.
c) like said before tryanids are basically a buffet line for a C'tan i mean thats alot of bugs to eat.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but C'tan consume souls, not life force. Both necrons and tyranids go out of their way to avoid each other, neither has anything the other wants. This will probably change when the Necrons fully awaken(they number in the billions, remember?). The C'Tan will eventualy have to deal with Tyranids, but for now they have a 'live, let live' policy
yup
Well seriously, whats the difference between a soul and life force, both are pretty vague terms
Allright lets quick some this up tyranids have life force not a soul a soul is what humans have and basically every other race sept necrons and nids. a soul is well heres wikipedias answer: the immaterial part of a person; the actuating cause of an individual life. alright so i guess necrons can have a soul but tyranids definatley dont as they are controlled by the hive mind not there own intentions. god hope this doesnt turn into what a soul is rant for the next 3 pages.
This is a stupid question... if they only needed life force then tehy will just domisticate the biggest life force producing animal such as chickens or cows much like we do and eat THERE life force instead of having to fight intergallactic battles for it...Originally Posted by TheEmperor
And don t tell me chicken life force ain t as good :P
Make it free range chicken force...
And so it begins
Why wouldn't chickens and cows have souls?
As for the nids being controlled by the hive mind, the entire tyranid race IS the hivemind, you could view upon their entire race as a single creature dedicated on the singular purpose of devouring biomatter
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In terms of the Warhammer 40k universe, a soul is a sentient being's warp presence.
C'Tan don't touch the souls. They are only interested in some vague kind of energy that I haved dubbed 'life energy.' When they consume someone's life energy, they die, but their souls are left alone, cast adrift in the warp. This is taken from Abaddon's conversation with the sorceress in Codex: Necrons.
Space Marine Joe: Funny you should say that. The C'Tan's ultimate plan for the galaxy is simply to breed all of humanity and the other sentient races of the galaxy in a never-ending buffet. Breed and consume. The reason they don't bother with simple non-sentient animals like chickens is simple - it doesn't appeal to them. C'Tan prefer sentient, self-aware meals. This is the reason they stopped eating stars and ate the Necrontyr, and the same reason they started eating each other.
finally sved comes in and ssaves the day from possible soul rant thank u and yes you are correct sir not much more i can add to what he said.
Again, no one blames you for making a few errors in grammar/spelling, but please make SOME effort. This whole thread just hurts my eyes...which is bad
Give him time...English isn't his first language. I remember reading Erikjust's posts so this is nothin for me :P
The C'tan basically eat some sort of "life force"/Bio-Chemical/subatomic energy in a sentient being. Basically, if you think of it, they suck all "energy" from a foe, leaving them a desicated husk. How this leaves the electro-chemical bonds intact, I don't know, since it is stated that the C'tan enjoy the "taste" of the intricate dance of particles in sentients, and the "energy" sigantures of their fears. Kinda creepy, but who knows.
Anyhow, I like the C'tan and all, but what i don't get is why GW introduced such god-awful omnipotence into the game/fluff to begin with. I mean, in their natural state, they eat the energy/radiation of stars. Why don't they simply assume their natural state, wrap themselves around a planet(Terra for example), and consume the planets energy as well as any sentient.s It seems like a much simpler plan. They are pretty much indestructable in their natural form, so there would be no possible reprisal. Its quite the weird thing in my opinion.
It would be a hell of a thing to see also, to just watch a planet go dead faster than any Hive Fleet could ever imagine. In all seriousness, the C'tan have nothing to fear from the 'nids themselves, they could simply just wrap a round a Hive Fleet and eat it like a planet, star, etc. It just boggles me how GW can basically make them the most omnipotent thing in 40K, and not have them follow the natural course of what would happen. Only possible reason is GW doesn't want the game to end.:bandit:
nids and necrons dont attack each other because they are friends for life
It's like rich people buying bottles of wine that cost 100$ instead of bottles of 2$ each.
Sentient beings taste better and I guess its just more classy
Let's popularize the order theory. The C'tan probably eat "order", and gain pleasure/power from creating entropy. A star has more entropy than a Tyranid, and a Tyranid has more entropy than a human. Why? The Tyranid is a complex organism with many structures. A star is a simple fusion reactor. The Human being is capable of thought and ideas, whereas the Tyranids are most often dumb brutes.
Would it be at all possible for the Tyranids to assimilate aspects of the Necrons after a battle? If they started gaining traits from the Necrons....could get nasty!
No because necrons don't leave any trace after a battle, all their damaged necrons get teleported back to their tomb world once they are out of action and repaired
God sorry if i cant type for crap. Geez people are so anal retentive and no tyranids can absorb anything from necrons because, necrons are metal. You cant make bio mass out of metal.
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I thought that the Necrons were Necrontyr (living things) that were trapped in living metal by the C'tan. So, wouldn't that flesh still be there, or are they simply robots.
On-topic - the C'tan are more intelligent than the Tyranids so they could use tactics such as drawing them in to a narrow pass and rendering superior numbers almost useless.
But, if the Tyranids evolved large amounts of psykers then that could potentially devastate the non-psychic Necrons, as they would have no defence (other than Scarabs and Pariahs and stuff like that).
Necrons are a tiny spark of the life of the necrontyr trapped inside the case of the metallic bodies of the necrons.
tyranids are no less intelligent. Infact, the hive mind itself is built by layers and layers of superficial intelligence that builds up into one vast intelligence that is tactically educated. Its no different to any other army (except for being an alien species which is evolved for killing), in the fact that there is a penultimate person making tactical discisions, there are lieutenants and there are basic soldiers. just that these are The Hive mind, Synapse creatures and lesser, non synapse creatures respectively.
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Obviously there is little reason for 'nids to go after the Necrons. They have similar desires - consumption. Both races are essentially locusts, devouring all the resources they specifically want in the galaxy. The problem is that the Necrons leave something behind to culitvate future species, while the 'nids leave nothing behind. Plus, the Necron probably find the synapse buggins pretty tasty, as they are vaguely sentient.
There's no benefit to the Tyranids in fighting the Necron, but the Necron have everything to gain in stopping the Tyranids.
It occurs to me the the objectives of the necrons is to cleanse the galaxey of all life, surrely the necrons objectives would be served simply if they stood by and let the tyranids devoure everything, and then leave for another galaxey.
The galaxy would be devoid of life (happy necrons) and the tyranids would have their fill (happy tyranids), given this and the fact that the governing intelligences of both are pretty clever, it seems unlikly that either side would engage each other as neither has anything to gain.
For instance if a hive fleet attacked a tomb world covered with life, the necrons could happilly stay dorment whilst the inter-galactic cleaning service removed all life. The tyranids would ignore the necrons since necrons have no 'nutrtional' value for the great devourer.
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But the C'tan don' want to 'cleanse' the galaxy, they use the necrons as a trawling net to collect whatever the hell it is that they eat. In some fluff I read, it said that the guass rifle rips apart the atoms of the target and captures/stores whatever it is the C'tan consume. The weapons are then emptied after the battle (I'm almost positive I read that from the GW site fluff).
As far as necrons vs. tyranids goes, I thought that the only time the tyranids avoided anything was when they bypassed the Dyson Sphere, which is rumored to contain the Outsider. Other than that, I think we've pretty much established that while the tyranids would gain nothing, they're simply more meat (or 'essence') to the C'tan. Probably the only reason there hasn't been a conflict between the two is that they're both relatively recent arrivals. Only one C'tan has awoken (Nightbringer), while general necron forces have slowly been waking, but aren't a major power yet, in terms of numbers/consolidation. Likewise, the tyranids hivefleets have been confirmed as relatively small compared to the gargantuan swarm that is most likely trailing along behind them. The galaxy is a big place. You could probably throw several million sattellites, all constantly broadcasting, from one end to the other without anyone hearing them, let alone sighting them. But since there are billions of necrons, and each hivefleet numbers in the high billions, they're bound to rub shoulders and lash out.
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These very same points have been addressed not only earlier within this very thread, but also within others (some of them more recent than this discussion). It's the same discussion and the same conclusions we've had on countless other occasions. Locked.
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