Medusa V - General Discussion

[MooFreaky]

Yeah, I know. There are a bunch of Medusa V threads going around... asking for battle reports and army lists.
Let me start by saying, I don't really give a crap about people's lists and detailed reports on battles. I mean without good diagrams and a decent writing style Battle Reports are quite tedious to read.

So what's the point of this thread?
I just want to have a place where people can discuss their general feelings toward to campaign, the results, the story line, or even just post a brief description of something really cool that happened in one of their games (I don't mean full on reports! just a quick description).



I will get things rolling by just saying how suprised I am by some of the Battle's Played figures...
It was obvious Marines were the uber popular and with 5,904 battles fought so far they are so far in advance of everyone else.

I really didn't realise that IG were nearly as popular as they are. I always figured they are one of the third tier armies. But with almost as many games as Chaos they really are alot more popular than I thought.
Meanwhile, Tau and Tyranids aren't nearly as popular as I thought... They are about half as popular as IG and Chaos... I guess with all the hype about them I figured they would be more poular worldwide.
They really are only marginally more popular than Eldar, Necrons and Orks...

And languishing at the bottom are my beloved Dark Eldar. almost 50% fewer games than the next least popular...
I just hope that some good results here will see us get some more attention and raise our popularity a bit.




I also want to say how horrified I am that some people seem to have reported 30 battles already. I mean, does that seem dodgey to anyone else?
Especially as there are 0 losses involved...
It's also a little strange that despite all their time playing games, they can't even give a little back story in their battle report section.
After all, isn't that the real point of this campaign?
I haevn't seen a single battle report in any of the battles played by these top ranked players.
Pfft.

I may be ranked 821 after my meagre 4 battles, but at least I've done some cool battle reports.




Finally, does anyone have any suggestions on what's going to happen after the first week? We get an update based on what's been going on in the battles so far. Right now it looks like one of the 2 Eldar factions will pull the top spot, as we've been tied for the last few days.
Perhaps some light will be shed on this mysterious cloaked stranger...

Meanwhile the Orks have been languising at the bottom ever since the campaign began. A sign they need a new dex pretty desperately perhaps?
But it doesn't look too good for their escape at this stage.

Overall things are looking good for the Defenders though... first week they should hold against all the serious rivals (the Eldar and Dark Eldar don't have such catastrophic plans, so they won't be too much of a bother to the Imperials)

So, comments, beliefs, opinions, general discussion and other Medusa V related talk please put here.
(Remember this is not an army list discussion location...)

[Zarathustrian]

I was wondering about the 30 games played also.
Normally a game of 40k takes around 2-3 hours. So 30 games would take anything from 60-90 hours. So yes it seems a bit dodgy.
I have just one game played, and sadly Im not much of a writer and just couldn´t come up with a nice report, luckily my friend wrote quite a nice report for his side.

[einstein007]

Unfortunately, it would be quite easy to fake a battle by signing up for several accounts with multiple e-mail addresses and confirming your own 'wins.' Also, I think some people are posting games that were played prior to the beginning of the campaign.

[Monsh]

I've only put two battles through at this stage, and sadly I didn't write reports for either - but those people who have dozens of games do seem questionable at best. Honestly, I wish I had the time to play that many games of 40k... or that much free time period :hmm: I wonder what the incident rate for unconfirmed battles has been thus far? By which I mean, have many people had battles unknowingly/intentionally listed for them to confirm that they didn't actually play?

I have to admit that I've been surprised by the results so far as well. I really expected the Imperial factions to do much better overall, although they've done fairly well.

The biggest surprise for me is the Orks performance... comparatively, they have very few overall battles for a "major" race, and the results have apparently been abismal for them to boot. As the OP stated, it could be an inequity in their codex, or simply bad luck. I wonder what it will really take for them to complete their objective though...gathering scrap metal doesn't sound like it neccessitates many battles - although it is in their nature to spoil for a good fight. It's almost like the battles should just be R&R for them rather than campaign-oriented.

As for what will happen at the close of week one, I surmise that there will be some topograpical claim changes, a few (or perhaps only one) specific objectives added per faction, but no real "meat" for the campaign-fluff sandwich. It's too early for GW to start making grandious fluffisms at this point IMHO.

[MooFreaky]

Doesn't look like the Hands of Truth are going to completely claim the Tertius yet though.
Chaos have flatlined in Edethor (where Tertius is), and the Guard are fighting for top spot atm. And Marines are doing reasonably.


It's interesting seeing how different Zone stack up.
Dark Eldar are absolteuly pwning Euryales, while the Eldar are dominant in Armida, while Necrons control Perseus substantially. Nids control Telosia. Tau in Verdia.
Eldar & Chaos are way ahead in Articus
Eldar & IG are also out in front in Edethor

Hydr and Tisiphone are damn tight.
Notice that the Imperials don't actually dominate anywhere... they are just solid throughout.

EDIT : In Euryales the DE have a rating of 12!
By far the highest of any race, in any zone. w00t

[Dooks Dizzo]

Looking back over the stats I have noticed that some players have dropped out. Such as the guy who had 30 wins, I can't find him anymore.

Same with the one who posted 12 games on opening day. I think GW might actually be policing a little bit.

As far as the rest goes, I am happy to see how well the Eldar and Dark Eldar are doing and somewhat surprised about Chaos over all.

[BillyBob]

Orks are sucking it, last time I checked.. I REALLY gotta play some games with me boyz, but my weddingstuffs get in the way all the time.
If Nazdreg makes it off the planet, I PRAY they make a new sculpt of him.
Still, the marines are overwhelming, but I expected that.. everyone and their mother has a marine army.. Orkses are never gonna compete with those amounts of wins....

[MooFreaky]

It's not amounts of wins. The rating is forumated to make everyone equal, regardless of the number of players.

And your Wedding is getting in the way?
Jeesh, get your priorities straight. Tell the man/woman to wait until after Medusa V dies, then you can get your wedding stuff done.
What type of person are you?!

More seriously, congrats on the Wedding!

[BillyBob]

Thanks Moo, I appreciate it. THe little lady is quite the firecracker, and a little nutso too.. I think she's jealous of my small plastic men

[ironclawed1]

I have played a few battles, but my deamon Princes attention is quite busy elsewere.

why bother with a planet that will die regardless of the dark gods whims, or the determination of the imperial fools.

this whole project seems a little less important then past summer battle tours.

"FOR THE DARK GODS"

[eventhorizon]

Unfortunately I have yet to play a campaign battle, as I was working Saturday, when the campaign launched in my local GW...and unfortunately, I didn't get those Eldar painted up in time, so I will be using the forces of Chaos. Got me a nice daemonbomb list with plenty of infiltrators.

Once I put my initial army on the table (a daemon prince, that's it) my opponent doesn't have a clue where to deploy his. Then when the infiltrators are down (about 4 squads of 6 man marines) he thinks its xmas! Then the daemons arrive...happy times indeed.

[Ap0k]

dictator - This isn't Warseer. Using big stupid colours or text will not help you get recognised here as a worthwhile poster. If you want recognition, post something of substance and make a reasonable contribution. Neither of those things require posting in anything other than the standard forum font and colour, so don't.

Everyone else - It would have been much easier to use the report function, rather than sidetracking the thread. While I don't disagree with your intentions, there are better ways to go about it than badgering the person involved.

You may now return to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Popsumpot]

I am with EventHorizon. I have yet to play one official battle, as my nearest Shop is somewhat one and half hour away. I see that the Space Marines are not doing too bad, but I shall lend a hand if we start sliding down.

[MooFreaky]

CRAP CRAP CRAP
We have managed to fall down to 5th! Argh!

Meanwhile the Eldar have stayed right on the money. And it's now Wednesday, they only have to hold their position for another few hours to be top after the first week.
The IoM is caining it in, as to be expected. They were doing so poorly for the first few days, but now they really picked up.
And the Orks have finally gotten themselves off the bottom of the ladder! Huzzah!

Does anyone else feel that having very few players can be a double edged sword? I mean, as there are only a few players it's much easier to get everyoen doing really well. As it only takes a handful of Victorious Slaughter results for the team avergae to skyrocket. However, by the same token, it doesn't take much to see it plummet either.

So I guess it's like Elite armies vs Horde armies in actual games. The elite armies are much more liable to suddenly land 100% of their shots, as they roll so few dice. While the Horde armies roll so many dice, they are always going to be about average.

Thus I predict, the DE could be all over the place during the course of the tournament. We will see top, and bottom quite regularly, but won't be stuck in the middle too much.

[Mithie]

Does anyone else feel that having very few players can be a double edged sword? I mean, as there are only a few players it's much easier to get everyoen doing really well. As it only takes a handful of Victorious Slaughter results for the team avergae to skyrocket. However, by the same token, it doesn't take much to see it plummet either.

Well, it's not how many players play a particular race, but also how active those players are, so going by player numbers alone could be misleading.

In other news, I just got my 4th consecutive loss as SM.

Sorry brothers.

[Don Gonzo]

There's only one thing that bothers me about the campaign.

Medusa V does not matter. It only exists because of the campaign and it's going to get destroyed no matter what we do.

I prefer trying to destroy (or defend) an important world like Cadia or Armageddon.

[Mithie]

There's only one thing that bothers me about the campaign.

Medusa V does not matter. It only exists because of the campaign and it's going to get destroyed no matter what we do.

I prefer trying to destroy (or defend) an important world like Cadia or Armageddon.

Knowing GW, even if it was a significant world like Cadia or Armageddon, no significant fluff results are going to happen anyway.

[MooFreaky]

Alrighty... Week 1 is over. And does anyone else suspect a slight tweaking of the results? I mean Eldar were on top ALL week. And as the week progressed it became very difficult for forces to move even .1 of a percent. Yet, in the final hours of the campaign, like about the last 4 or 5, the Marines managed to move up .2 or even .3 percent, to steal the top spot from the Eldar.

[Dooks Dizzo]

Yeah I noticed the same thing. However after being cheated out of the trophy in two GW sponsored tournaments, I have not felt that they are straight shooters.

[Touristo]

Well, it looks like at least they're going to allow 3 "major" winners, the three green-rated factions. So even if the Eldar don't claim top spot, at least they're right in the running to score a decisive win, save the craftworlds from daemonic infestation and destruction, etc. I do agree though, that seems kinda odd that the ranks should move so dramatically so quickly so close to the end.

I feel bad for the Orks though, they're really having a rough time of it. I did notice though in their Week 1 update that they've got a "massive battlefortress" with a tellyporta, is that a GW attempt to help their scrounging effors despite their losses, or just a fluffy conceit to explain orks posting battles all over everwhere, and not just around their crashed hulk?

[MooFreaky]

I think it's because, while the Orks were limited as a whole, they did manage to do pretty effectively in a handful of areas. Thus they achieved the minimum possible, of securing a few positions. But didn't really gain as much as they could have

[The Preacher]

GW mentioned that because this was a "Narrative Campaign" that the various battle reports submitted by players might have some effect on the campaign results. Has anyone noticed this having an effect?

[MooFreaky]

The only thing I've noticed is that in the Rumours and Schemes section
See Here

But that does mean that they could build to fruition as the campaign progresses.

Also... w00t! The DE are back in second place overall! Now we just gotta stay there! For the rest of the week...

And Chaos continues to do poorly. Which suprises me actually. I thought they would be doing alot better.

Same with the Nids and Necrons. I thought they would be doing much better.
While the Marines and IG would be a bit further down.

The fluff from the first week has also been quite ambiguous... with all races pretty much getting a start, but noone doing anything really awesome.

[Dooks Dizzo]

Tyranids really should be doing better, I guess more people need to read my tactica.

I cannot figure why Chaios is getting owned so badly.

[MooFreaky]

Can someone please explain how that rating system works?!
Seriously, at the start of the day the DE were equal second overall. We are top for the day, yet we have slipped from 2nd to 7th. So by doing better than everyone else, we have lost .3 of a rating. While others, who are doing worse than us, have gained.
How does that possibly make sense?

It's almost like they've decided Nids and Chaos are doing too poorly, so we'll bump them up a bit.

EDIT : Another hour or so later and we've dropped a whole another .1! Now we are just above bottom, and we're still top. And we were 2nd yesterday! Last week there were forces that were bottom consistently over the course of a couple days, yet their rating didn't move at all. And we've only had an extra handful of games played since I last checked.

It just seems very sus to me.

[Dooks Dizzo]

I seriously have no idea how this stuff works. Please let me know if you find out.

[MooFreaky]

wohoo!
Equal top to bottom in the space of less than 12 hours!

[Touristo]

Well, week 2 just ended, and Space Marines remain strong. Interesting to see Eldar are, overall, actually in first place. Maybe an issue of lots of players using beardy 3-wraithlord lists, or imba starcannon spam lists, or Alaitoc Ranger cheese armies? There's not even that many eldar players relative to the other races, with only Orks, Dark Eldar, and Necrons posting fewer battles. All I can figure is that they're winning the vast majority of their battles, and by substantial amounts.

Nice to see orks are starting to creep their way up there too. I'd love to see both them and Dark Eldar score at least minor wins. And very nice(at least, in my opinion) to see Tau slipping so far down the overall rankings! Surprising though, figured they'd do a whole lot better than they currently are.

[FerociousBeast]

Medusa V does not matter. It only exists because of the campaign and it's going to get destroyed no matter what we do.

Maybe not, but the chance to see an important Chaos character get the axe is in my opinion what's drawing so many imperial players. Something to remember here is that most players have at least one SM army. Likely a lot of people are throwing their weight in with the Imperium for this tournament since the 'oomies took such a bruising in Eye of Terror, and thus are playing their SMs instead of another one of their armies.

[MooFreaky]

And while the Planet may get destroyed, it could have big impact on other things.
Especially fluff. For example, if the DE do well then we could see the entire dynamic of the fluff change. Until now Vect has been the basis of the DE. He's dominated the fluff and been the one man band.
Now we have a chance to upset that balance and bring alot of interesting new fluff to the race. While the planet itself means nothing to the DE, what happens there could be massive for them.

Same with Orks. The chance of a new Warlord to move things away from Armageddon and the same old Orky. IT's new and fresh, and a new Klan that could move to power. That very much interests me.

If the Crons do well, they could stop the planet falling to the warp. Get a pylon up and suddenly the Crons have a new staging ground.

Chaos could get a new, powerful leader and a new front of attack.

Tau could get warp drives, and that would alter the fluff drastically.

If the Nids or Imperium win then not too much happens. However, just reading what is going on and the story of the planet (however insignificant it is) is extremely interestring. and it's not something that you can just read about every day. And seeing it unfold only adds to that.


As for the results so far... wohoo!! Back into 2nd place, and only a day and a bit to go til week's end!
Eldar have gone from waaaaaaaaay top to 5th! And not too far of dropping to 7th!

Chaos is just below the Marines... just seeing how those 2 are dancing aroudn is great. Marines haven't dropped below them so far, and it would be nice to see them go under.

Orks are on the comback, and are not too far off jumping all the way to 3rd!

But the IG are starting to get some ground on the others. And the Crons are still falling way off.
Which suprises me. THey've been bottom or 2nd bottom all campaign.

The worldwide popularity is a bit suprising too.

1. Marines (duh!)
2. Chaos
3. IG
4. Tau
5. Nids
6. Eldar
7. Necrons
8. Orks
9. Dark Eldar

What really suprises me is the game between IG and Tau. IT's massive!
Tau would need a 50% increase to match them. I just thought Nids and Tau were far more popular than that after all their recent exposure.
I know many people may be using their Marines instead of their other forces. But holy shit it's big!

I am also suprised that Orks and DE are soooo far behind. DE I can understand (and I actually like the fact we are a force that few use)... but da boyz need more loving than they are getting.

I'd also like to see Eldar gain popularity. Hopefully their new dex will give them a boost. They are waaay lower than I expected...

anyway... that is my rambling over