Vertigo

I ran the LUA files from 1.1 and 1.01 through a diff utility to see everything that changed in them. I found some stuff that isn't listed in the readme. I also filled in exact numbers where the readme is vague.

Honestly, I don't understand everything in there, so I've put question marks next to stuff I don't understand. If any modders out there can clear up those things, I'd be very thankful.

Oh, and if anyone wants to confirm these things with in-game tests, it would help a lot. I'll mark stuff as confirmed as it happens.

The list:

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CHAOS

Corruption can no longer target ground.

Chaos AC now uses speed fiend ability.


ELDAR

Entangle now only lasts 10 secs (anyone confirm?)

Fastshot now affects own squads (i.e., it now works).

Warlock Seer (not SC) power cost doubled from 25 to 50.

Warlock Seer (not SC) build time increased from 11 sec to 14 sec.

FP flight speed (when jumping) slowed by roughly 14%. (thx SvK, Shoe)

SC power cost from 25 to 50.

SC build time from 16 to 19.


ORK

Charge range now 7 (was 15 for Slugga, 20 for SB)

SB Nob Leader now moves same speed as normal SB through cover.

Ork speed boost now works on SB, Trak, and Truk.

Moving accuracy reduction on Big Shoota is now 0.1. (Is this a percentage or absolute reduction?)

ork_kustom_shoota (Warboss upgraded gun) now has 0.1 moving accuracy penalty.

Moving accuracy reduction on Rokkits is now 0.075.

LP3 should now fire Rokkits!

Moving accuracy reduction on ork_shootas is now 0.1.

Moving accuracy reduction on ork_choppas is now 0.075.

(Note, vehicles ignore moving accuracy reductions)


SM

Some event changes I don't understand in space_marine_troop.nil (Entangle? Just cleanup?)

AMs don't get double boost from health2 upgrade now. (?)


MISC

Tutorial fixes, all races.

IG plasma gun now available. (confirmed. thx, Shoe)

Bovine

Nice work Vertigo. I was hoping you'd find out the ork group morale bug was actually fixed though

hybris

Great list.
Should be added to the official and made a sticky!

Vertigo

Note that game engine changes won't necessarily show up in the LUAs. So, for instance, the mob system may now work. Since the data was already present in the LUA files, no change would appear in the diffs.

The only way to be sure is to test it in-game.

TheDeadlyShoe

RE: IG Plasma Gun. The IG PLasma Gun now appears ingame. Previously it did not. ( At least for me.)

It's short.

From testing I was running earlier, I'm almost positive accuracy reductions are absolutes.

Hanna

Thanks for your work!

I don't understand much of it, but it's awesome that we have so much information that we can get ourselves about the changes that are made. It portends great things for the future when we get ahold of the toolset.

Love,

Hanna

CrimsonFury

>hanged FP jump_time_max from 3 to 3.5 (?)

I assume this is the change to the fireprism jump recharging.

>Cover modifiers for SB Nob Leader (unsure what this does, movement speed?)

Same as the Chaos AC fix. It makes it so the SB nobz don't get slowed down in cover, same as normal jump pack troops.



The Ork accuaracy modifers were mentioned in the changes they just didn't give the numbers.

SC + Warlock power cost increase seems a bit excessive, all the other changes seem good.

With Conceal fix and SC ranged nerf 30 power each would have been fine IMO.

Vertigo

Actually, those are different entries. I know what those do, I just don't know what the one I listed does.



Which is why I said: "I also filled in exact numbers where the readme is vague."



We will have to wait and see. Relic has an inhouse balance team. I'm gonna make a wild assumption that they have their reasons. Unlike the pre-whiners, I want to see what happens over the span of a week, at least.

SvK

jump_time_max <-- I think this is how long the Fire Prism can stay in the air.

You say that the cost of a Warlock Seer was changed, not the cost of the Seer Council. There are two places to change the cost of a unit.
1.) In the entity blueprint, which affects the cost of buying a squad.
2.) In the squad blueprint, which affects the cost of buying reinforcements.
Was the change made in only one place?

ChineseWarrior

woooo!! thanks for the "missing" info

but..whats IG Plasma?? lol sorry

TheDeadlyShoe

IG plasma is the Imperial Guard plasma guns available in single-player.

Vertigo

SvK:

But how would "time in air" be relevent? It's not like the FP can hover during a jump...

There are two changes: One in eldar_warlock_seer.lua (ebps), the other in eldar_squad_seer_council (sbps). I don't understand whole blueprint terminology, to be honest. My knowledge extends to inheritance, and that's about it.

TheDeadlyShoe

Vertigo: It is relevant in travel time. Fuzzy experience from a game I just played, I think the FP moves slower through the air now.

Vertigo

But what happens? I mean, if the FP actually did a max jump, but ran out of time, it's not going to just fall from the sky, right? That would be crazy.

TheDeadlyShoe

No, no- There doesn't seem to be any kind of speed setting for jumps, just the max-time determinant.

Thus it's probably dynamic based off the max jump range (70) and the max jump time (3.5). Increasing the max jump time reduces the jump speed.

That's what I figure.

Vertigo

Oh, that makes a kind of sense...kinda. What the hell, best explanation I've got. I'll update the post.

Navaros

only?!

the word "only" does not fit in there at all

no RTS in the Universe (except for DoW) lets you totally paralyze the enemy Hero for 10 seconds of real-time - yet you're saying that even after the 1.1 patch, Entangle does just that? and the word only belongs in front of that statement?

that's real messed up if Entangle still lasts that long on Heros.

DakkaThrakka

Hmm, do the ork accuracy figures mean that accuracy is reduced to 0.1 of previous accuracy when moving or is reduced by 0.1 when moving? Are these figures an improvement or a reduction on the last version?

If it's the former it seems that orks got a raw deal, seeing as they do a lot of running after dancers and their reduced accuracy penalty (compared to orther races) made up for that.

Also what is the charge range? I've never seen my boyz move faster into combat (I sure wish they did though!)

On the whole I'm pleased, gonna try out those new maps in a skirmish now!

Rayden

I think this means that Nob Leader always walk with same speed

Samsa

So he doesn't slow the boyz down when they're going through cover, right?

Thorak

this means that the stormboy nob leader is now as fast as the regular stormboyz while moving through cover.

they never got a double boost, there was a modifier in the second upgrade that overwrote the one that was inherited from the first upgrade. this is the one that got removed.

ionfish

Nice one, Vertigo. Good to be able to see all the changes in detail.

Tyfon

Go Vertigo ... I always loved the details and never been happy with these thinner manuals all the games have nowadays :P Keep it coming

RisingPhoenix

Um, the KotG's engangle lasts something like 9 seconds on heroes, and that's on the MUCH more powerful war3 heroes.

Bjarni St.

That's with another of the powerful Heroes. Entangle is a little easier to spread around.

Vertigo

Guys, chill. Entangle lasts *only* 10 seconds because it used to last 20. Don't get hung on comparing with an ability in another game. BTW, that 10 seconds hasn't been confirmed by anyone, yet.

Thorak, does that mean the AM entry is just cleanup, and has no actual effect in-game?

Olgerth Istaarn

Did they originally? the marine_health_upgrade_research_2.lua inherits from marine_health_upgrade_research.lua, in which all health modifiers are set to 1.2. The entry for the assault marine in marine_health_upgrade_research_2.lua lists 1.2 modifier still...

Scalphunter

nice one Vertigo

Samsa

No, it's something like 3 seconds, and the skill is not spammable. Now if every huntress got a 10 second entangle spell, you're in the realm of Eldar.

CowGoMoo

I must agree to some extent that the entangle is still a little too long lasting. I was playing Eldar and found it to last around 10 seconds * didn't keep track so I can't confirm it* and I was able to keep enemy CL's and FC's from touching my FS, which in return i used to throw his troops all around, kill them, then entangle his hero again with another Guardin squad to kill him be4 he could run away... I think 10 second entangle is fine for troops but should only be like 5 seconds for heros... thats just IMO.

Mike Lemmer

One change not documented: AI Improvement. I was rushing a base and my boyz automatically switched targets from the buildings to enemy units when they approached. Can someone confirm this?

Vertigo

But that worked before patch 1.1. At least, for me. I've noticed no difference in 1.1...

Kelju Ivan

For me it sometimes worked and sometimes not. Don't know about the new version, since I can't get it to work.

Kosumo

Post patch I've found my fog of war much more 'foggy' and a tad more 'war zoney'.

The colour, althought black, seems to be blacker now and the infomation, pre-patch zero, now seem much less.

If anyone can confrim this my Doctor would like to know.

Camp Freddie

Post-patch the gaurdian warlock upgrade is still 15 power acording to the tooltips (like it's always been).

It has never been 25 power as far as I recall (that was for SC warlocks, which are now an extortionate 50 power).

Dymo

Ummm, would it be possible, pretty please, to run the comparison of 1.10 to 1.20 as was done above. It would be really interesting to see what un-documented changes may be in that everyone is already crapping on Relic for not putting in.

ThE|MaFiA

Yeah I agree-

Çhristovas

someone has somewhere and said there were none.

Dymo

@Çhristovas

So you 'heard somewhere', from 'someone' that there is none. That is genius above even mine. Would you please confirm your statement with fact. Please. Quote who?

Çhristovas

with what search engine? Are you paying me?

Dymo

So your saying a comparison of game files has been done and none were found?
If so finding that post couln't be that tough as it would have to be less than 24 hours old, right? The patch just came out last night.

Must have missed it after reading every new threaded post since the release. Hmmmm...

Çhristovas

i'm saying take my word for it. Over 3 forums and umpteen posts, i saw it somewhere. And don't forget, there are a TON of locked threads as well.

Orional_FM

Don't use logic Chris. It's too confusing apparently. What were you thinking?

MuLepton

Why do I have the feeling that this thread will be locked or at least cleaned by a mod soon...