Starkad

I saw another post where these Necrontyrs were mentioned, but who or what are they? Some kind of special necrons?

beensalad

they were the race that the c'tan enslaved and became the necrons.

ExplodingGeckos

They were the organic precursors to the necrons...they BECAME the necrons after they enclosed c'tan in their necrodermi(sp?). The c'tan transfomed them into the necrons because the necrotyr wanted immorlality, and to conquer the Old Ones.

MacBeth

they were a very short lived people,they looked for a way to live longer and found the ctan,and as said the ctan gave them what they wanted they just twisted there words

ExplodingGeckos

You frogot about their frothing fury at the Old Ones for their neigh immortality.

Starkad

Cool. Thanks folks!

Jewdie

No, it was a deal of: you give us immortality, and we'll kill some slimy space frogs (old ones/slaan) and the sex toys (space elfs/eldar) for you. Only that the Necrontyr got screwed.

BamOBrien

The Necrontyr worshipped the C'tan as gods so I think it was the C'tan that were making most of the demands in the bargain.

Sir Guppy

yeah but wasnt it more of a fear your god relationship, as when the ctan first met the necrotry they went around killing them all. and i dont think all of them wanted to be necrons, the ones who were really up for it became necron lords and immortals. were as those who didnt were forced into becoming warriors. i wouldnt be suprised if their positions within the new necron race were related to their previous lifes, ie cold blooded killers became wraiths and flayed ones, where as those who drove stuff fast became destoryers, although it might just be a random altoment of who becomes what.

Psymon

i think that most of the necrontyr were changed randomly into different types of necron as it says in the codex :blah: that only the most powerful (Neron Lords i guess) kept there minds intact. so maybe they rose to dominance and impressed the C'tan

Ninja_of_DooM

Here, digest this. It's from the GW site:
"The Necrons' story is one of an ancient betrayal. Aeons ago, the Necrontyr race clung to their short lives in fear of oblivion at the hands of their massive and ravaging star. They pushed the limits of science in an effort to lengthen their lives, but to no avail. Then, the star gods known as the C'tan were discovered, offering immortality at a terrible price.

The Necrontyr agreed, and their souls were encased in living metal bodies. What they did not know was that the process dulled their minds and senses so they became slaves of the C'tan. The C'tan needed warrior-slaves to harvest the life forms of the galaxy so the star gods can feast on souls, and the C'tan's new Necrons served this purpose well.

After life across the galaxy ran thin millions of years ago, the Necrons went into stasis, waiting for life to grow back. Now, in the 41st millennium, they have found a galaxy teeming with life again."

Scribble

Thanks... though as an asside. It would seem the necrons cant be as threatening as has been made out: If the necrontyr where limited to one race on one planet (or one sysem even) there cant be very many of them, at least compared to orcs and humans, let allone 'nids.

though theat still means there could be 10 billion of them. :P

Cathode

You know It is all a sad story of what could have been the c'tan got screwed too. Actually they were just too dumb to realized that going into stasis for thousands of years makes you vulnerable to anything that can kill you while you are asleep. And a finite army sucks compared to an infinite one. Plus there only being like 4 c'tan left. I meant there are billions of galaxies and 4 c'tan. One day something worse than the nids will come knocking and good bye necrons and c,tan.

HaXxorIzed

We know the Necrons outnumbered the Eldar at the time of the eldar's fall, and could kill hundreds of Eldar in CC before falling only to get up again. Add the lightning, the fact these necrons always got back up, the fact there are millions of them. Plus the Ctan, who can consume solar systems of energy.

Sorry, doesn't sound like great odds there, plus the fact the Tyranids avoid the Crons anyway.

Cathode

I said worse than the tyranids. THe tyranids are probally from the closest galaxy Like andromeda or something. If you are immortal time does not matter so one day the C'tan will bump into star eaters from a galaxy nearly an infitine span away to mortal men. Considering How many galaxies there is there many be millions of them vs the necrons fantastic four.

BamOBrien

The C'tan ARE star eaters.

refuz

The necrontyr were fooled by the deceiver into abandoning their flesh which was devoured when they had entered their necron bodies.

Brother Lucius

Ah...eh..No. Thats the Necrontyr. The Deciever WAS a C'tan. The C'tans NEVER had flesh either.

refuz

oops typo. ofc i meant the necrontyr since its them the thread is about

Brother Lucius

Sok *thumbs up*

Imrix

You know, it would have been a lot faster to direct that person to the Necron codex...

Erikjust

Well if any of you have read the newest fluff concerning the necrons you might discover that not all necrontyr went voluntarily and became necrons.

They left something that might destroy there enslavers so apparently what I understand this as a call form the other side of time, a call from a fallen race to destroy there enslavers and give them peace and freedom from there wretched lives the C´tan “forced” on them.

Cathode

Why do necrons look like hunch back human skeletons, did necrontry look like skeletons? If necrons are not "robots" with "circuits" what are all those freaking wires running to in the art? Since any wire is a circuit by difinition. Also if C'tan are so energy how come they look like humans? THink of it a sphere or cube or somthing would make a better necrodermis. Very little of this makes any sense. Chaos andriods were more reasonable.

BamOBrien

Gw thought it'd look cooler, and probaby because most humanoid skeletons look alike to some degree.


Why are there always cases coming out of bolters when they are specifically described as "caseless"? Inconsistency.


cir·cuit ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sûrkt)
n.
3. Electronics.
*A closed path followed or capable of being followed by an electric current.
*A configuration of electrically or electromagnetically connected components or devices.

No a wire is not by definition a circuit.


Probably familiarity towards their Necrontyr followers who were humanoid, otherwise its just another marketing ploy by GW. Who would want to buy a pewter cube for a tabletop game?


Its 40k


Except for the fact that Necrons and Chaos are completely different entities.

Warlawk

lol, i had already opened another window with dictionary.com before i read Bam's post, a wire is NOT a circuit... sheesh.

maybe the wires on necrons are the wires for their integrated ipods filled with old skool europeon industrial death metal that they listen to while ravaging thier latest target. or more likely whoever did the original sculpt just thought they looked cool that way.

anyways, taken from the above quote of GW website



now, i could be off base here... but souls are of and like the warp, the warp is anathema to the c'tan... and yet they feed on them? somehow i dont think so. i think they likely just wrote that because it sounds cool, and not with any bearing on what the c'tan actually devour. they probably dont want to try and say something about the c'tan simply devouring all life because that kinda lies in the domain of the 'nids. and it just doesnt make for a very poetic or engaging description to explain how the c'tan take all matter and break it down to its most fundamental levels, devouring the energies that are the building blocks of all matter in the universe. so we end up with a cheesy, cliche and entirely unappropriate statement about how they "devour souls".

sorry for the kinda OT rant, just bugs me when i see so little attention to detail in things like that

Scribble

C'tan and necrons are silly.

Cathode

Dude the official fluff says wrath guard are made of metal. I have no faith in anything GW says.



... Dear lord if I reply it will start a flame war. I will be nice. How about you try to prove a wire is a circuit, and if you can't get back to me. One other note I have never seen dictionary.com in any of my electronics books.

Brother Lucius

They don't really eat the souls I think, just the energy generated by living beings, so I guess you could say they eat their spirit or Chi. Remember they used to devour Stars.

Cathode

This is why 40k is stupid. There are more stars than souls. Why change?

Warlawk

scientific method would mean you need to prove your assertion, burden of prrof doesnt fall to those doubting the premise.

basically your statement was fallacious. a wire can be a circuit, but is not by definition a circuit, which is what your earlier assertion was. a circuit, by definition is a closed path that is followed or capable of being followed by current. a wire, by definition in no way shape or form is defined as being or being part of a closed circuit therin lies the fallacy of your statement. a wire can be a circuit, but is not, by definition, a circuit.

sorry for the OT

Cathode

Uh someone ever tell you about open circuits? They are an integral part of electronics. Look at a lightening rod. It’s a pole in the ground. That’s it. According to you that's not a circuit. I take that back a lightening rod does not even have to be physically touching the ground to work.

BamOBrien

An open circuit is just a circuit that doesn't work anymore, in electronic jargon its just a way of saying "broken circuit/not a circuit anymore"; the conventional definition of a circuit is a closed pathway that returns back to its starting point and electronically speaking the circuit must be closed to actually be a working circuit.

Plus even if you were to use your definition and call those wires sticking out of the Necrons "open circuits" what would be their function? Open circuits conduct no current and would be pointless in any practical way; which brings me back to my first assertion that they are useless pieces of attractive looking artwork used by GW to make the Necrons look cooler.


Its not a circuit. The lightning certainly isn't going back to where it started and coming back again is it?

Cathode

Um... dude Lightening travels both ways. You should know this. Whats your beef?

Also that is not just jargon. Because a circuit is open does not mean it is usless. What you are saying is an off and on switch is useless. You are also saying that when you break a circuit you might as well tear it out of the wall and set it on fire.


Why does everyone pick on me? I mean can any third party tell me where I screw up?

Aquila

WIRES
You want to know the REAL reason why Necrons had wires? It's because GW made the models LONG before all this nonsense about C'Tan and Necrontyr at the beginning of the time and a galaxy-wide war... and they made them that way because they LOOKED COOL.

So they changed everything in history so that the Necrons would be scarier. So now there's no more wires. Why? Because now, that seems a little bit cooler.

Whatever. To be honest, I couldn't care less whether they have wires or not.

SOULS
In the story where Abbaddon is learning about the Dragon on Mars, the demon tells him "there is a great slaughter, but the precious souls are being cast into the warp." Obviously, this tells us that C'Tan don't eat the souls. They eat something else, likely the life force or sentience or something... and the person's warp-essence is free. Is that a soul? According to the humans and Chaos it is, I doubt the C'Tan care. They just eat. All we really know is that once it eats somebody, they are very, very dead.

BamOBrien

Right, but its not going up and then coming back down over and over is it?


No i'm saying its not a working circuit and so not a circuit.


You've been told a million times by third parties that gradually became "not-Cathode" parties...plus not everyone picks on you, even I agree with some of the stuff you say sometimes.

Cathode

It depends on how tall the rod is. If it is on a sky scraper it gets hit hundreds of times. I am not sure what you are getting at.

BamOBrien

The lightning, to make it a working circuit, would have to go over the same route consistently and return to the same point of origin. The rod doesn't have much to do with that.

Aquila

BamOBrien, I'm sorry, but you're just gonna have to let Cathode have this one. The Lightning Rod does indeed make a complete circuit when the lightning hits it.

It is NOT an open circuit just because there is air between it and the cloud, however. Even though there is air, the electricity "jumps" across the gap to create the circuit. It's only temporary though... as soon as the lightning is gone, the circuit is open again.

BamOBrien

You win this time GI Joes, but I'll be back next time!

DDZ_Goldstrike

"This is why 40k is stupid. There are more stars than souls. Why change?"

Because stars tasted like crap.

I'm not kidding either. Said it in the Codex. One of the C'Tan accidently munch on a Necrontyr and went, "mmmmm, tasty."