Slash

Im really confused about the backstory of old ones if you can, could answer the following questions please?

1.Did the old ones create races such as the eldar?
2.Were the old ones powerfull psykers?
3.What was the cause of the old ones total destruction and extiction?
4.Why did the old ones and necrons have wars? and why did the nectrons hate them?
5.If so, can you please show a picture of the old ones?


If you can answer all of these questions, i would be really happy :cowboy:

Gotchaye

1. Possibly. There's a line somewhere (Necron dex?) where it says that the Old Ones created races like the Jokaero and the Krorks, and -nurtured- races like the Eldar (among others). It depends on how you read 'nurtured'.

2. Almost certainly. At least, they were masters of the Warp.

3. The C'tan and the Enslavers. The Necrons were beating them until they brought up all of the young races as allies, and then the Enslavers took over.

4. Jealousy. The Old Ones had pretty much everything, and the Necrontyr felt that they had a right to some of that power. They called on the C'tan, who enslaved them and used them in their attempts to devour life.

5. It's generally accepted that they look a lot like the lizardmen in WFB.

Edit: The Necron dex doesn't mention the Krork or Jokaero. It says that the Old Ones used the Warp to manipulate life into new forms, etc etc, and that they nurtured several races. It is speculated that one of them was the Eldar.

Slash

masters of the warp? what do you mean by that? Also those races the old ones created....are stay still alive? and have they made contact with the rest of the currect w40k races? And who are the enslavers? :comment:

Gotchaye

Masters of the Warp in the sense that they were probably the drivers behind the construction of the Talismen of Vaul and possibly the architects of the Webway.

Krorks live on as the Orks, presumably. Both are green-skinned warrior races. The Jokaero are still around in theory. They were basically orangutangs with an intuitive grasp of technology. I'm not familiar with any of the others. I've got to go now, but the main rulebook has something on the Enslavers, I think.

Variatas

It does indeed mention the Jokaero and Krork, just a bit later on, under the heading "The Apocalypse Looms"
also speculated about are the K'nib and Rashan. I have no idea what these are, maybe someone else does.
The Necrons mainly hated that the Old Ones lived so long, (almost forever) when their lives were cut so short by mutation and radiation poisoning. (20-40 years being a good guess, I don't think it specifies.)

Andkat

The Old Ones created the Warp. They created the Eldar, the Orks, and the Humans among other races to combat the C'tan. The C'tan where star gods who created the Necrons from the Necrontyr race that submitted to them as warriors for eternal life (dead necrontyr couldn't enter the warp as souls and necrontyr had short lives). The C'tan obliged, and created the Necrons. The C'tan are general malignant entities who find other entities tasty. The Old Ones created the Warp and probably where masters of it.

Diabolical

The old ones created the warp? Never knew that.
Thats one heck of a feat considering with all evidence showing from fluff so far that it stretches to other galaxies!

Andkat

Your point is...........

It's a separate dimension essentially. Also, the warp always expands and the like.

Daemons and Enslavers where formed as the Old Ones began to lose control of the warp and the warp became darker and more chaotic.

NecronKing

I always believe that the C'tan made the warp. Have to brush up on my Necron dex, eh?

Diabolical

My point was I didn't know that ... jeez some people are starting to get real defensive around here, lighten up.

Andkat

How could the C'tan have made the warp if it is anathema to them and they cannot use it?

Gotchaye

I've never seen anything to indicate that the Old Ones made the Warp. Do you have a source, Andkat?

verybad

The Warp is supposed to have come into being at the same time as the material world. The Old ones didn't make the warp, they were the first to learn how to use it, and they were *damn good* at using it.

Diabolical

Does anyone have a link or a reference to back up where they got info about the comming of the warp from?

Young Nastyman

Until the time comes that everyone here learns the arcane skill of using Wikipedia, I'll provide you with a link you'll might find useful

Catt

The Old Ones were originally the Slaan who linked both the world of fantasy battle and 40K together. This link was originally posted bywolf13 http://www.solegends.com/citrt/tsf18spaceslann.htm

They created the webway but had relatively few rules in 40K, they existed more fully in Fantasy Battle with their allies the Zoats (strange reptilian centaur thingies)

Zatrais

Nope, the immaterium and the materium both burst into existance at precisly the same point. The old ones did create many things inside the warp tho but they never created the warp.

Imperial Angel

So how did the old ones and C'tan come into being?

Zatrais

It's said that the C'tan were made during the creation of the universe, the origins of the old ones is one of evolution on whatever planet that gave life to them.

Diabolical

Yesss... cause theres no way Wikipedia might be wrong when just anyone can edit it...

Aron_DeTomado

pwnt

TheEmperor

I don't know if the Old ones created the warp, but Tzeentch, Nurgle and Khorne were born during the war between the Necrontyr and the Old ones

Aron_DeTomado

Uh, how? The necrons(or indeed the necrotyr) lack any kind of warpresence so they would be incapable of creating warp entities.
Besides, I thought I read Nurgle wasn't created until about the human middle ages.

Slash

one quick question that is off topic:

is slaanish the strongest of all chaos gods?

Aron_DeTomado

No. Khorne is. Make a search. Search is good. I like short sentencies.

Zatrais

The old ones created many warp sensitive races to fight for them tho so it is perfectly possible that they gave rise to some warp gods until the enslaver incident which makes it abundantly clear that the warp wasn't a nice place during those wars.

Btw, i am not saying the big 4 were made during the war in the heavens. Just to make that clear hehe.

Armor of Vaul

I don't know about the Old Ones making the Warp, but I do know that they created the Webway, of which the Eldar Webway is just a pale reflection.

Andkat

I'm pretty confident that GW has inexplicably explained that Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch only arose during human conflicts on earth. This explanation may be derived from:
1. The probability that before fleeing, the Old Ones had enough Warp-Control to prevent major Warp Entities (essentially Gods) from inadvertently arising.
OR
2. GW is racist towards it's own creations and prefers humans FTW.
OR
3. Tzeentch, Nurgle, and Khorne had started "incubating" during the Necrontyr conflicts, but had only "awakened" during the conflicst of mankind (or the conflicts at that time).

This was also why the Shamans transformed into the Emperor: They had detected the emergence of Khorne, Nurgle, and Tzeentch.

Aquila

It's because the Chaos Gods and the Imperium and everything else were created long before the War in Heaven and the Old Ones and all that other crap was written into the 40k mythos.

BeserkWraithlor

Can Someone please give me some sort of link to the 4 Chaos Gods? The only thing i know is that Khrone is the big bloody daddy of the 4 hippin, crazy chaos gods. Oh yea, BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!!

Aron_DeTomado

Khorne and Nurgle are the most straightforward of the 4, as they feed off hatred and bloodlust(Khorne) and despair(Nurgle).
Slaanesh and Tzeench are a bit trickier as they feed off "the wish to change"(Tzeench), ambition essentially, and "excess"(how the hell GW figured this was an emotion is beyond me) in the case of Slaanesh.

Benjamin

The old ones could and did do anything they wanted...they have the power of plot devices.

Imperial Angel

Ok, deep question, but do GW say has the universe came into being?

A7X

they say that in 1983 (or sometiume around then) 3 men nwere like " dude, we've got nothing to do anymore, Dungoens and Dragons is crap now and pron has lost all of its goodness ... i know...we'll make our own universe" and since then, the universe has started...


have fun and wear a condom

ZellFish

..No one "created" the warp. It was found by The Slaan, or The Old Ones, and they harnessed its power. It's the sea of souls. Where all dead souls go. Back before it was run over and corrupted with Chaos. However, many of the races of the 40k universe were made from the Warp powers the Slaan possessed. Krorks - Orks. Joekaro are those little orange monkey like things with the extremely advanced ability to make extremely tiny weapons. The K'nig were fought by the Black Templars in a crusade into the Ghost Stars a while back, but no description was ever given, I don't think. Whatever they were, they managed to evacuate entire worlds from a Marine Crusade un a little under three days, meaning they have either high speed space travel\and or Warp abilities. Open for speculation.

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Khorne and Nurgle are the most straightforward of the 4, as they feed off hatred and bloodlust(Khorne) and despair(Nurgle).
Slaanesh and Tzeench are a bit trickier as they feed off "the wish to change"(Tzeench), ambition essentially, and "excess"(how the hell GW figured this was an emotion is beyond me) in the case of Slaanesh.[QUOTE]

Ok. But that's wrong. Khorn does feel off of Blood Lust and rage, and Nurge off of the disease and rot of the Imperium and anything else. Tzeentch lives off of people will to change, often making it happen in the perverse ways. Slaanesh, however, lives off the passion inspired fools who are engrossed in all things sexually perverse. They don't call Slaanesh the pleasure god for no reason, y'know.

Aron_DeTomado

Slaanesh is about excess, sex or pleasure might be under that juristiction, but they don't cover all of it.

Slash

then he is my god now!

Psymon

the old ones were psychic lizard things that were the first race to become sentient. they discovered the warp and it was very calm, peaceful and happy because they did not have especially fast systems unlike us young whippersnappers to disturb the warp with strong emotions.
the necrontyr got pissed off because the Old Ones lived for millenia and got around whereas they had very short lives because they all had cancers and lesions and stuff, also they were stuck on one world only. they could not mount effective attacks because of their primitiveness so they contacted the C'tan, gave them metal bodies and then almost wiped out the old ones.
the c'tan could not use the warp so the old ones spawned lots of psychic races to combet them. this ent the warp nuts and the creatures there became evil. the Enslavers found a way out to our plane of exstance and attacked everything with psychically slaved armies. the Old Ones never recovered and either left for pastures new or were hunted to extinction. the enslavers and C'tan receded as their food ran out and thats the stoy so far



on a point of interest there is a very old and powerful psyker in the 2nd Gaunts Ghosts book (Ghostmaker or Necropolis i think) that is referred to as an Old One, but given the fact he has an Eldar bodyguard, weapons and uses spirit stones to try and close the webway portal he is in charge of i think he was an eldar farseer or a warlock

Armor of Vaul

He's a farseer. He's called 'Old One' because he's really old and powerful.

Sword_Monkey

Anyone thought that the Old Ones are 'old' for a reason, they may of created the warp because they created the universe too - it would make some sense and would fit with most fluff. But hey i don't really like my own theory on to better stuff-

I thought the Slann were the helpers of the old ones?, in fantasy they refer to the old ones in their fluff. They are also said to be the oldest known race, and they inhabit the northenr galactic pole in a very advanced civilisation, sometimes they allow traders in so that they may study the other races for that short time, they do not need the traders however as they are completely self-sufficient. Other Slann communities exist but they are on backwater planets and are not as advanced.