Erikjust

How huge where the damage to the earth during the age of strife. Did any buildings survive or where the earth reduced to a dessert.

What I am thinking about is mostly historic items like the St. Peter's cathedral.

I saw some of it on TV when the pope aped on new-years eve and read from the bible.

Though the bible normally don’t mean a shit to me (nor does any other religion for that matter), I still thought the Cathedral was quite beautiful (my mom have been there and she says that TV can’t even close give you and idea of how huge and beautiful it is). I couldn’t help but thinking that if W40K past even closely resembled ours, such a thing like St. Peter's cathedral would have survived even the age of strife.
Possibly after the heresy it would have been rebuilt as the main place for worship of the emperor.

So what do you say do you think any modern day wonders would have survived the age of strife and the Horus heresy.

The Collector

No. The fluff describes a cruel and violent mass bombardment of Earth, reducing Earth's cities to rubble and seas to dry beds as Chaos landed around the Imperial Palace.

The Age of Strife was pretty bad, in that Earth devolved into warlordism and 24-7 warfare. The Emperor had to build power-armor technology from scratch, which seems to imply an extreme drop in techbase. The power armor fluff describes the Mk1 as being more an enviromental suit, which seems to imply the typical nuclear war. It may even mention radiation, and thus, that there is very little that has survived.

Of course, if Gav Thorpe thinks differently..

Imperial Dane

if there are any remains they are probably buried on hundreds of other buildings that were build on top of them.

Aron_DeTomado

The Mk I Power Armour(aka Thunder Armour) was pretty much the same as the "Techno Barberians" used. It did not protect you from the envirement as the later issues does and the armour plating at the legs lacked any servo-powering.

On topic:
Most buildings such as the mentioned Cathedral will have been destroyed during the Siege of Terra, if not earlier.
As the Emperor did not want to be worshipped as a god he would most likly have left religeous monuments/relics alone when he conquered earth.

shovah O'Shovah

The Age of Strife begins in M26; we are currently living in M2. How likely do you think it is that any current human artifact will survive for twenty-four thousand years?

The Collector

Good point.

Erikjust

well that depends on how important people think they are if important enough I seriously believe that they wouldn’t just leave it to decay I think they would rebuilding and reaper it.

and maybe after the heresy it would have been converted to whorship of the emperor.

We know he was though of as a god after the heresy and the inquisitors made sure they remained in that believe.

You worship him as a god or you, your family and everybody you know dies simple as that.

shovah O'Shovah

Nothing stays important for twenty thousand years.

Diabolical

Apparently the emperor does after 10 thousand

shovah O'Shovah

Given that the Imperial Palace is built on a giant warren of crumbling remnants of past civilisation, and that the great record storage facilities of the Adeptus Terra are so decayed and treacherous that getting one guide-Servitor in four through to your destination alive is considered a success, it seems unlikely that any structures predating the rise of the Emperor would have survived as anything more than the most mouldy and powdery rubble.

And of course, for something to be converted after the Heresy, it would have to have survived through the Heresy, which seems rather unlikely, given that Horus bombarded the Earth hard enough for the seas to boil away. Ceramacrete might survive such a pounding, but brick and mortar? I think not.

Aron_DeTomado

Asia didn't survive the Heresey, I hardly think a fragile cathedral will have.

Invictus

We're living in M3 actually! lol

I seriously doubt ANYTHING that exists today would survive, except for the British Isles of course! (the real-world location of the Imperial Palace)

Slash

and how do you know that exactly? :!:

~DeathJester~

because it's true

i agree with the comments above, during all that time untold amounts of wars would and can happen including nuclear wars so i doubt many, or any at all, buildings would remain standing

Andkat

Because GW stated it in fluff.

eventhorizon

its the obvious choice, and the obvious metaphor- the centre of the imperium of man is the imperial palace on terra, which is situated pretty much on the ruins of GW HQ in nottingham : )

Psymon

ah too true. this hallowed land, this septic isle, this ENGLAND!!!

also on a point of interest where does it say asia got blitzed. if that happened thats a lot of the ewarth's landmass, it would severely unbalance the climate and the volcanic and tectonic activity would go crazy

MacBeth

as long as scotland and ireland survived lol
I bet stonehenge is still lurking somewhere on terra

-V-

The bombardment upon the earth during the siege of terra was severe enough to crack the techtonic plates, never mind merley boiling away the sea. So yeah, aisa got toasted, heck most of the world got toasted.

Also the Imperial Palace covers all what is present day europe and then some. The Emperor sure didn't think small!

ZellFish

Didn't they say the Imperial Palace was situated in the Appalachians somewhere?

Also, Read from the book Wolfguard, It gives an excelent description of Terra Current day (40k, anywho) as being encased in metal with an atrificial atmosphere. He describes seeing vast, barren red\Copper oxide wastelands where oceans had once been, also seeing at least four massive Hive Cities JUST where he was coming in from, with many more on the horizon.

jammers_

The thing you have got to realise is that everything is gone, nothing is left, if anything survived Horus' blitz, it has long since been built on.

Everything is gone.

I wonder if there are any cryptic references to Warhammer World in the fluff?



No! Seriously! It's there!

Oh, and I used this "leetkey" thingo to translate "warhammer world", ain't I clever?

shovah O'Shovah

I believe that's the choir of psykers that produce the raw Astronomican, which is then directed and refined by the Emperor.

Ion288

I think the astronomikan was in the himalayas. How many Teran locations do we know about?

Could the pyramids still stand?

Robert Frazer

Septic?!?!

You mean sceptred, surely. The other Eden, the demi-paradise, and the teeming womb of royal kings is not sullied with uncleanliness. That's the French, and thanks to our being a jewel set in a silver sea this plot and this realm is safe from them.

Invictus

:buddies: Jerusalem!

And as previously mentioned, the Imperial Palace is where GW's world HQ is now, in Nottingham. I expect that Wales and Scotland would survive, but what of Ireland and Northern Ireland? Giant runways or alehouses perhaps? Home to the Shamrock Warriors Space Marine chapter of course!

Apocalypse_now1

I always imagined the Imperial Palace to rival the grandure of Saint-Michel-Monto in France (please take a look it's the reference piece for Gondor in LoTR films), but located elsewhere for obvious reasons (not racially motivated reasons either).

Aron_DeTomado

Psymon there was a banner of the Terran Crusade displayed in a recent WD.
The lack of Asia would be compensated by the vaporising of the Atlantic ocean.

The Collector

The so-called "Saint-Michel-Monto" [sic]:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Mont-Saint-Michel

The Imperial Palace is bigger. I imagined something like the Tyrell Corporation's HQ in Blade Runner. It has to be big enough where Titans cannot make a significant dent into it's structure. It is also probably the size of a large city. Hell, it is probably a city. There are references to an outer and inner palace, and the old HH game indicates it's divided into three(?) sections.

Apocalypse_now1

Yeah but it looks fabulous doesn't it Collector you have to admit. Looks better in person.

shovah O'Shovah

I believe it actually covers the entirety of the British Isles.

MacBeth

noooooooooooooo not scotland and ireland :cranky:

Andkat

I believe that the Palace cover all of the Isles and almost all of Europe. The Golden Throne is situated upon the former GW HQ's location, I believe.

Aquila

Yes, well you've got the Imperial Palace and then you've got the actual 'inner sanctum' type thing where the Emperor chills out.

The Imperial Palace itself is unbelievably massive, likely the largest hive city in the galaxy. It covers a good proportion of Europe. Situated directly over GW HQ, though, is the Golden Throne, and surrounding that immediate area is the most well-guarded location in the Imperium. As mentioned previously, a pair of Titans guard the main gate, so that should give you some idea of the scale. It's probably another small fortress-city itself within the Imperial Palace.

Imperial Angel

So is there no animal life or water left on the planet?

Erikjust

what known planets in the W40K univers controled by the empire have buildings and such that was build by man, but dates back to before the golden age.
when the first humans came to that world.

from what i can read the age of strife and the Horus heresy wasn´t only hard on the earth but also all other planets occupied by the empire

ediblespread

Is terra actually based on earth? If so, which continents survived the war and where is the emperors thingie on a todays map? america? BRITAIN? SCOTLAND!!!

Aquila

Ediblespread, how about from now on, try reading through the thread before asking incredibly stupid questions like that?

shovah O'Shovah

Wow. Just... wow.

Random Person

ediblespread, you are an idiot arn't you?

Esa

"Hmmm, i really dont need these pyramids, lets have a lasgun factory instead"

*emperor calls the dozers*

I would say every squaremeter of Terra is utilized/imperialised.

Prophaniti

Hopefully New York survived, yea if Horus bombed NY me and my boyz would bring out the pain...gangsta style...eastside...